No Man's Sky: DID IT FAIL? - Dude Soup Podcast #83

Dude Soup: No Man's Sky: DID IT FAIL? - Dude Soup Podcast #83

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  • otters FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold otters are cool, I guess

    1 year ago

    It's amazing how often James and Adam jump on the user error bandwagon. The people didn't overhype the game, the lead developer did. He made promises and outright lied a LOT. The backlash is no fault of the customers.


    James and Adam did tell us that they knew nothing about the situation but fuck are they quick to once again blame the consumer.

  • ratboy2rw

    1 year ago

    I love dude soup guys. I really enjoy hearing your opinions and your "expert" opinions (no sarcasm). Keep on going and keep it awesome.


  • Silenteagle7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    To be honest, this was really offensive to me as a fan. The general consensus seems to be 'oh the fans overhyped it and the dev couldn't possibly meet the hype expectations' like it's our fault somehow that we're disappointed, but the fault really lies with the developer and all their false claims and advertising. Just look at the reddit post outlining all the content mentioned in interviews or shown in trailers that doesn't exist in the game. We were shown a product for advertisement purposes and then the company did a bait and switch on us at the last second knowing the game was unfinished. To make matters worse, you can see in the most recent 4 pillars trailers, released about before the game's launch, that they were still using footage with all the removed features in it. It's absolutely infuriating to be lied to this blatantly and then have people say 'oh well, you should have kept your expectations low and then you would have liked the game' when that's horse shit and everyone knows it.

  • Reptiledisfunction FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Is grow up really an indie game?

  • Chikitychain FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I love Dude Soup, never stop talking about shit. Ever.

    • ESCtheCTRL FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Totally ignore game breaking bugs, crashes and ps4 bluescreens and you almost made a point. People shouldnt be outraged by that? Because thats a large portion of the backlash.

    • Chikitychain FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Nah I was just drunk. It's a problem for sure, No Man's Sky is a disaster by most accounts, but it is tiring always reading and hearing about how upset people are over everything, not just NMS.

  • cmiller03

    1 year ago

  • Brandonmshanks FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Sean Murray definitely said multiple times that the game would be multiplayer. You can search "Sean Murray lying about multiplayer for No Man's Sky" on YouTube and see a short video compiled from interviews where he is talking about it being multiplayer. They put new stickers on the box to cover up the sticker that said the game had multiplayer. Murray also said that all DLC would be free, and now that is not true either. The Know just did a video reporting this yesterday. I'm sure some people are upset with the game because they over-hyped what they thought the game would be, and it didn't turn out to be that. But some people are upset about the lies, misleadings, and shadiness associated with this game, and rightfully so. Its really the customers fault though. I always wait for a game to come out and be reviewed before buying it. I've been burned too many times with a game not delivering what it promised, or being a buggy broken mess on launch. We need to let this whole pre-order b.s. die and stop giving developers our money for games and promises that they may or may not deliver on. I know it's slightly difficult to wait that extra day or whatever and not get a dumb free skin or something for per-ordering, but you'll be happier in the long run when you do so and don't end up wasting $60 on a game like this.

    • AriesAsunder

      1 year ago

      I admittedly am uncertain that there was any deliberate lying, but rather overly ambitious developers talking about what they expected to be in the game, and not realizing saying your plans before you've actually built them into your game is not a good idea. I don't think they intended to come off as making promises, but that's how it tends to go.

      In either case, it's why I very rarely preorder games anymore. Either there's a miscommunication or there's some shady business, and many times what you get isn't what you were expecting. Sometimes that's good, other times it's bad. It's safer just to wait.

  • FallenBytes FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    The low hum is really a subliminal message injector. I can feel the planted thoughts coursing through my being and they are saying "Half Life 3 confirmed"

  • jclark2747 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Loved having Elyse on the podcast! More plss

  • ripflowers FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Now I know you can't be a RT fan if you have any critical feedback but I'm gonna speak my mind here, Funhaus really seems to despise gamers. They're funny as hell but yeah, they hate the audience. And I know, I know, I'm a cunt for having criticism of the media I enjoy.

    • Coldaman FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I don't think they despise gamers, but they definitely despise uninformed gamers. They've seen many games like NMS that are overhyped by the publisher and fanbase come and go over the years, and in fact they probably fell prey to video game hype like this when they were younger. They've become adept at seeing through the smoke and mirrors, so they get annoyed when people don't learn and this same sort of thing happens time and time and time again.

  • ripflowers FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    They implied that it was possible to find other players in the game, but that it was very unlikely because the universe is so big. That's a lie, because its a single player game.

    • clutchkicked FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I felt like they didn't really even research the reasons behind the main disappointments from customers. I mean there's that reddit post that has that gigantic list of promised features and sources listing where it was promised . And the fact that Sean's interviews were so , so varied , it was nearly impossible to get the right information from the guy.

  • MyNameIsStew FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    No Man's Sky, more like No I Don't Want To Try.... Haha....

  • Jrex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Gus Sponsor

    1 year ago

    Sean said talking about needing to upgrade your ship "you will be attacked by AI ships and even another player..." but yeah guess i just got hyped up and misconstrued his clear words, "by another player" oh boy.

  • Czexmix FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    The James intro pooting his foot down and saying THIS IS MY WOMAN!

  • Styx FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Aw man that "friend simulator" comment bummed me out in a really weird way. I don't really have friends anymore because I guess I never really learned how to make friends and basically all of my old friends have moved onto better things and I'm basically stuck where I'm at for a while. I've always thought it's nice having content out there that's genuine in a sort of way just because it feels a little bit more connected, but in a way I guess that's a "friend simulator" so to speak, which is really depressing to think about



    I guess it's just weird realizing that I'm the loser they're always making fun of in all these videos.

  • Dr_Wondertainment FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Bring him home

    1 year ago

    Personally (and I haven't played the game yet, might wait for a Steam sale), my #1 dream/goal that I know will likely never actually come to be is to walk on another planet. Be it Mars, or something that's not even in our solar system, I could die truly happy if I was able to take just one step somewhere other than Earth or the moon. That being said, I think that's (meant to be) the appeal of No Man's Sky. It's not about combat, or character models, or player interactions. It's about exploration, and the idea that even years after it comes out, you'll still be able to find things that nobody else in the world has ever seen before. You get to basically be Matt Damon from Interstellar, and the rest of the mechanics like mining were added in later on because the devs realized that people weren't going to pay full price unless it had something more than flying around and finding things.

  • DEFIAN7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Rabs

    1 year ago

    Speaking generally, it seems like the gaming community has a problem remembering that hype typically doesn't work in favor of the consumer. If the game is good, then hype is largely meaningless for the individual playing it, since the value comes from the actual enjoyment of the game, not the excitement of anticipation. If the game ends up being awful, then the gamer ends up with despair instead of just a little disappointment.


    Unfortunately, the opposite is true for retailers and marketers. Games will sell better with hype regardless of quality. If it's good, the launch will be great because of hype and then the game's true value will drive sales further. If it's bad, at least hype gave it a strong opening weekend.


    I try to stay away from trailers and stuff like that for games for exactly that reason. I don't want to get excited for a game until the moment I start playing it, because I know that my imagination is going to run wild if I see too much media surrounding a game before it is released. And I also know that what I imagine is going to be the perfect game for me, and there's no way that the developers could ever make it like that. Easier just to wait and let the game stand on its own merit rather than comparing it to some ureasonable and unjustified fantasy.

  • jilez

    1 year ago

    I review this podcast: 6/10 overpriced indie games

  • Tredyn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I don't think it's too unrealistic to have high expectations of a game when in the game's development cycle we are promised certain those things (or even shown features in the demo that are missing in the launch game). For example, the only reason the ending of Mass Effect 3 was so disappointing was that the game spent 3 whole games saying that the players choices matter. If I'm told to expect something for 5 years straight and then it doesn't happen, it's not unreasonable to be disappointed.

    In addition, I think that if No Man's Sky wanted to be treated like an indie title, it shouldn't have charged a triple A price. It's not unusual for an indie game to be a game skeleton on a clever idea or engine, but most are modest enough to charge a lesser price for a lesser experience.


    TL:DR: NMS is a $20-30 experience, and deserves to be under heavy critique because they charge $60. We were promised more.

    • ZeroHowl FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I think Mass Effect 3 falls into a very similar boat as No Man's Sky in some regards. The hype was intense, and people went in expecting the devs to have incredible solutions to any potential problems. And then it turned out, like FH mentioned, it's still a game, there are still game mechanics in it. I won't even bother with the 'ME3 ending isn't so bad, everyone just expected way too much' because it's tired and everyone's heard it. But both it and NMS have a solid foundation of gameplay, which may not be every gamer's thing, but works well for those who don't over-anticipate.


      In regards to pricing, I don't entirely understand the economics of retail, but once Sony backed the game and hype grew to ridiculous levels, it's totally reasonable to charge $60 for it, because they knew people would pay for that. Yeah, maybe 'good guy Sony' might have considered a cheaper release, but they're a business and they made honestly a smart move. I don't begrudge them at all.

    • Tredyn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      The reason people expected too much from the ME3 ending is because in ME1 and ME2 they repeatedly tell the player that all your decisions will matter and ultimately they didn't.


      I'm not saying it's unreasonable for NMS to be $60, but if it's going to be AAA prices, I'm going to have AAA expectations for it. Having a lot of poorly done parts of the game is ok for an indie title with indie pricing, but if you take on AAA pricing you deserve AAA scrutiny. So complains about things like the story, the port, the repetitiveness of the gameplay, lack of multiplayer, etc. are more legitimized by the pricetag. It's not unreasonable to expect AAA quality out of a $60 game.

  • YazzPott

    1 year ago

    You guys finally talked about Final Fantasy without being super sarcastic, kudos!

  • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I tired playing Red Steel on the Wii, the controls were not very good.

  • DerrickFord FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I think "buyer's bias" stems from someone's inability to admit when they fucked up. I have paid full price for some garbage games, which sucks, but it's a learning experience on why you should be careful with your money. You don't need to justify something just because you spent money on it.

  • Amione

    1 year ago

    Yes no man's sky is repetitive and that sucks, I never got into the hype and I see the game as something that CAN be built upon to make it better and great over time (Like how they will add base building next) if they'll do it that's another thing. But when someone says that the only way to see what you look like is for someone else to see you and describe it to you, or that there is a remote possibility that you can meet someone you expect there to be multiplayer or at least a sense of it so that you don't feel alone in an NPC-filled universe, technically yes, someone can describe that you look like nothing because they can't "see" you but I'm sure you can see how what Sean said in not just one of his interviews is misleading.

  • mrdrpanda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I'm really happy that Elyse is getting more screentime. At first, she looked a little uncomfortable, but now she gets right in the mix and her jokes are hilarious. Also, her outfit on this podcast is fantastic!

  • Vickibeoulve FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I tried to type something long and thought full but i lost it about half way through so instead i'm just going to thank Adam, James, Lawrence, and Elyse for all trying to put out the same message. The game was marketed Vaguely and people built it up into their ideal if you like this type of game you'll like it, if you don't you might not? its got a great ground floor to build off of and the money they made from this wide spread release should allow them to build something cool within it. Remember though at the end of the day a video game is a video game.

    • Amione

      1 year ago

      It's actually just that, a great floor to build off of. I love those kind of games but NMS is just... not there yet.

    • JamesLawrenc FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Except some stuff, like multiplayer came straight from the devs. Not just the community.

    • miles_hayes FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      many many times it was stated that you could meet friends and they could "see what you looked like.

    • Vickibeoulve FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      why are you saying this on my comment i'm not arguing for or opposed to any of this @-@
      i get our unhappy i bought it to but i realized what it would be at least i didn't expect multiplayer or depth from the game just something to idle away time exploring something other people won't be able to see when i don't feel like playing something intense or demanding

  • mkubrick

    1 year ago

    I love how Adam just casually explains his experience of watching a YouTube video of the ending of No Mans Sky. A lot of people are playing the game and Adam just casually ruined the ending. Like wtf, I fast forwarded in time but as soon as I heard the words "text screen" I actually got genuinely angry. It's not like it ruined the whole game for me but honestly I don't come to dude soup every week to hear endings of games that are a week old at the time of filming the episode. Lawrence said spoilers (barely) but I basically jumped at my phone as I was hearing Adam to fast forward 3 minutes. Am I really the only person who felt this way about what Adam said? Not everyone is jaded enough to not play a video game, form a negative opinion, and then watch a YouTube video of the ending and be satisfied of how you interacted with the game, even if you don't have time to properly dig into the game. Please please be more careful about explaining endings of relevant games.

    • orangeorc FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      If you heard him say text screen you heard the entirety of the spoilers. He didn't elaborate after that so there was nothing to skip past

    • ZeroHowl FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Having not played the end of NMS myself, I can't speak for how much of a spoiler it is, but I do believe many games end with a text screen, congratulating you on completing or something like that. I wouldn't take that as necessarily "the big end moment is just a text screen". Again, haven't played through it, but I'd imagine there's slightly more to it than that - a cutscene, a special location, I don't know. I wouldn't necessarily get dejected by what Adam said. I'd be surprised if he thought spoiling the important parts of the climax of the story was a smart move so close to release. I don't know him beyond his media personality, but he seems cynical, not malicious.

  • pfweaver FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    05:15 let me translate the nonverbal communication here.

    Elyse: hah...

    James: You know what I'm talking about!

    Elyse: ... I wish...


    HAH, comedy... sort of...

  • BurgBurgBurg FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Elyse