PewDiePie, Markiplier HATE YouTube Drama? - #66

Dude Soup: PewDiePie, Markiplier HATE YouTube Drama? - #66

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We go an entire podcast without being cynical and negative about a comic book movie. How refreshing! Except this time it's cynicism about the human race. Is that better or worse? We'll let the view counts decide.

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  • Mr_Hyde010 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    What game is this?

  • MintBerryCrunch FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold MintBerryCrunch

    1 year ago

    So I'm not the youtube seen much, but I've seen a lot of shit being tossed around there with this, and i figured i put my thoughts here because youtube commentors are trolls and uneducated. And I dont know, I just like information and what not so here ya go,


    So fake reports or claims are extremely illegal and Its hard for me to believe people would make false claims about this, because there is this myth about their being fake rape reports its actually small, I believe according to rainn.org statics that false rape reports make up 6% of all cases, Now I do believe that these new claims against other youtubers (especially if they have never met) are either trolls are those who are not mentally well (more so because they do not understand what happens when someone reports rape).

    On the other side where Ke$ha with her court case and now other singers who have worked with her attacker are coming out against him because they needed to see how the legal system and sony would end because of the nature of what happens when someone does come out of having been raped.
    I don't know its my two cents. I get annoyed about how quick people are to say all cases are woman lieing for attention and some people (men rights activist or those who dont understand the concept of consent) that like to add fule to the fire in anyway and many of them pose as woman to do such things, (I am currently at a lack for specific instants) with the exception of pro rape activists that are apart of http://www.returnofkings.com/ and http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/2/roo...


    and good video if you want for info on this is


  • KeithEire FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I disagree with Adam at 22:40 saying "there are a lot more louder, dumber people"...than good people. I just feel that the "louder and dumber people" just make a lot more noise and therefore create the illusion that there's more bad people, they ultimately want to get a rise out of people and therefore will continually attack and poke until they get their warped sense of satisfaction.

  • Zerkle FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold JerkingtheGerk

    1 year ago

    I agree with Adam on the Alex St John thing. It reminds me of those assholes that, when you say you're tired from 5 hours sleep, will scoff at you and say that they only had 2 hours sleep; like their experience makes yours trivial to the point that it's laughable and that you don't have the right to feel the way you do

  • heftypanda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    God, I just want to spend time drinking and having these kinds of talks with Funhaus. Lawrence's short little sentence on how a person in the spotlight sort of has to deal with their persona becoming less of 'their own' just summarized so much that I've been trying to get across to some people struggling with a managerial/lead position for a long time now. If only if it was legal for me to send you a bartender so that I could buy you a drink or eleven.


    Alas, I can't mail somebody from Florida to California...

  • KeithEire FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    PEWDIEPIE AND MARKIPLIER HATE YOUTUBE DRAMA? - #66

  • ColeElliott23 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Funny you should ask Bruce, because I just learned about Libel and Slander today in my Civil Liberties class! Now I'm no expert on the subject, even though other undergraduate political scientists might claim otherwise, but I thought I'd do my best to give a little insight on the subject. Libel is written defamatory speech while slander is spoken defamatory speech. In order to be considered defamatory there are some requirements: Accusation of fact (saying somethings true), Falsity (its not), communicating it to a third party (making a video about it), Inflicts a measurable legal injury (losing subscribers or job opportunities). The minimal requirement for a person who uses defamatory speech in order for them to be at fault is if their speech uses Actual Malice. Actual Malice is defined by "what did the person know at the time they posted the defamatory speech." If they knew for sure that the story was false or by what they knew they must have known that the story was false but published it anyways then it can be determined that the speech contains actual malice and the plaintiff has a legal recourse.

  • AmiralPatate FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Some people have misconceptions about the video game industry. The truth is, video game dev usually means getting overworked, underpaid and yelled at by angry "gamers". If the pure joy of making game isn't enough compensation, this may not be the career you're looking for.


    There are a lot of people who want to get into "making games" and only a few positions. Offer and demand is the basis of our wonderful, completely functional society and the brutal law of the market is that if you don't want to work hard for minimal wage, somebody else will take your place.


    I'm hopeful though that smart people will figure out how to fix all that and we'll say "oh yeah, it was that easy" and we'll all look stupid. Well, we already look stupid so at least we're about a third of the way there.


    In the meantime, you have solutions you can apply, chiefly, and by order of easiness: deal with it, quit for a better industry, quit for a better gaming company, or quit to work for your own company. You could also try to change things for the better, which is harder than writing about it on the web.

  • sirenite FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Beta Tex

    1 year ago

    So this game is like Skyrim.... with gun

  • Ajdeehring

    1 year ago

    The main reason, at least in my eyes, that people are becoming more hostile is to supplement their egos, by gaining followers and subscribers

  • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    So I've got no idea what's going on with PewDiePie or Markiplier since I rarely use Youtube.

  • AshLand Fightin' Round The World

    1 year ago

    The Casper ad read was phenomenal

  • Aku111 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mrs

    1 year ago

    I think what Bruce was trying too get at is, "If you haven't done anything wrong. you shouldn't have a problem."


    An of course the counter was, "human being are shit and it doesn't matter." You can be Mother Theresa and people will still find some shit too say or say you did thats negative.

    Its sad and of course not fair that, even being a pseudo celebrity doesn't grant you anymore privacy. But thats what happens, when you become big you are suddenly held too a high standard than the normal person. Again its not fair but thats what happens. You then as the celebrity have to make the choice; on what to say, and do.


    With Marks video I feel as though it was directed towards his fans. This was suppose to be between something he was feeling and wanted to share. Just venting, Pewdi saw it and made his own video. i don't feel as the two should be connect, because they are both very different in tones. But nevertheless, they have too realize this is what happen. it sorta naive too believe you can have your cake and eat it too. You can't have these massive personal interaction with your fans like that. Their should always been a line between the fan and the celebrity. Especially since a lot of the fans are underage. Its nice to hear when the Mark or even you guys say we love hearing from the fan. we love getting feed back etc etc. It makes the fan more of a fan when they feel valued. But again their should always be a cut off point. You can't hang out with your underage fan, just because they really really like you. They are fucking horribily stupid, young and belive they are adult when they are not. They as the normal everyday person is allowed to "make mistake". But as a celebrity your not allowed too. But this is the risk you take, like Bruce said you must have had some type of hindsight.


    An with the Toby case; I here this quote all the time. "What you do in the dark will come out in the light. Sooner or later." If you are a garbage human being more so than other people.

    Than yeah you're gonna be found out. if your a celebrity, its a ticking time bomb. It could have been shit from 16 years ago people will dig it up. I'm not saying Toby did anything or that he's more of garbage than others. Its just a shit situation. That could potentially shine a horribly light on rape victim who, because of a few other people will not belived or shamed. Because someone was trying too ruin some else life.

  • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    It kind of boggles my mind that you guys just immediately dismiss regulation as a solution to people being overworked and underpaid. I know regulation comes with downsides but so does a completely unrestricted market. Whether it's a solution to this particular issue I don't know, but isn't it at least worth discussing? There are plenty of countries with higher levels of regulation than the US who are managing to do alright for themselves. I know it's a cultural US thing that biases you guys against it, just as it's an Australian thing for me to be more biased towards it. I'm just trying to say that maybe you should try and include the other side of the spectrum in your discussions, just as I do my best to see things from your perspective before writing a comment.

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      They are Americans. We can be kind of stupid that way. Look how much effort getting same sex marriges legalized took.

  • Jin_D3vil FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold The Scotsman

    1 year ago

    Loved the refrences in this Enter the Gungeon game. The Gattling Gull is clearly Raven from MGS and it made me smile something rotten. I loved the Huntsman being the Axes of Evil as well. I may have to pick this up now just to see all the refrences.


    That and it looks like a fun game to put some time into and progress up as well.

  • GanglyLimbs9947 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I actually first saw that crunch time article from tumblr, on a post warning young people who are self-employed against getting into the crunch time mindset. I like their solution, though it's more set to individuals that companies, but it was to remind people that it is ok to take vacations and have other interests and that you are no less passionate for taking breaks than someone who doesn't. They also reminded people to not look down on others who do these things. While this solution is more of a mental thing, and again more for young people getting into the industry, I think it's a good start. Maybe if we can break that cycle of saying this is the norm, we can hopefully change it.

  • Weatherwax FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Verbose

    1 year ago

    In regard to crunch time and taking advantage of employees: I'm not going to get into the particular case of gaming, because treating any industry as unique in the sense that it is exempt from industrial trends because of the nature of it is shortsighted. Every industry has, is, or will gone/going/go through a phase like this, where the industry is unregulated for whatever reason, in this case being a fledgling industry (during the Industrial Revolution, it was just because no industries were regulated at the time that there was a huge influx of people into the cities, in excess of the available jobs, and employers considered that this allowed them to treat employees like shit, since they were easily replaceable, in the spirit of capitalism). Basically, as time goes on, this will become a more regulated industry--it will become more routine and make less money--and it will be a more stable job. An unstable system will slowly become stable and reach equilibrium. Perhaps there will be unionization, or the allure will fade as it becomes less trendy and there won't be as many excess workers, etc. I'm not saying this will happen easily or soon--we might never see it in our lives, and so it's important to do research and look for solutions. But to say that "that's just the way it is," and that people should just suck it up, be grateful for their jobs, or leave, is ignoring the lessons of the Triangle Shirtwaist Company and the entire Industrial Revolution.

    • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      This conversation strikes me as similar to the one they had on university affordability. Their viewpoint seems quite narrow and not really interested in alternatives to the status quo. For starters if you don't like the current system, you can try and put pressure on your representatives to change it.

  • bonnec FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold i'd rather be sleeping

    1 year ago

    Can I just say, as much as everyone gives all of you shit for being "uninformed" with your ideas and such (particularly in regards to the larger more difficult concepts discussed in your dude soup podcasts such as censorship and content localization), they're actually the uninformed ones. I'm currently studying a bachelor of communications, and in this I am focusing on the video game industry. For my studies I must do a lot of research, on both general media trends, as well as focusing on the specific video game industry, and whenever larger conversations are brought up, you guys are almost always on point, with numerous peer reviewed literary papers backing you up.

    The idea that Adam is bringing up, about you guys being known by a few people, but not actually a celebrity actually has a term in academia - the "micro-celebrity" (I'm also doing a paper on this and using Rooster Teeth and Felicia Day as case studies). This has come along due to the convergence of media (Basically the merging of all mass media), and can be linked to a variety of things (such as connectivity, community, and even brand loyalty). It's a very interesting phenomenon, and it would be even more interesting to live inside it.

    But in regards to what you're saying about Pewdepie not wanting to be a 'celebrity' and the fact that he (and others) should have known what to expect before they became one actually goes against many of the studies done into celebrity culture. With the rise of the "web 2.0" (it's a super wanky term I know, but what can you do), more and more people have become disenfranchised with the celebrities that have been essentially "made" by the media, whereas the people on youtube are much more grassroot, and thus seem more approachable, supporting the rhetoric that celebrities should be available to anyone. This in itself comes from this new phenomenon being studied in which audiences are becoming more and more obsessed with the idea that "ordinary is the new extrodinary", with the early start of it being seen through reality tv, but now at its peak (pe/\ke) with internet culture. People want to witness the rise of an ordinary person to celebrity-like status, or celebrities as ordinary. So, one of the reason youtubers (including yourselves) are so popular is because you seem like ordinary people. And the fact that people are saying "I'm just an ordinary person, I want to be treated like an ordinary person", really just puts fuel on the fire, and can be argued (and has been - See Gamson 2011 "the unwatched life is not worth living") that it is statements and thoughts like these that helps keep a person popular and 'celebrity-like'. Really, once you're in the public eye (whether it be as a celebrity, or as an 'ordinary person'), it's a vicious circle.

    (i'm not sure if this actually makes sense or not, I'm running on 3 hours sleep and about 12 coffees, but I'll come back at a later time and try to make more sense of it if it doesn't :) )

  • zach0504

    1 year ago

    Love Enter the Gungeon. Something about a game that you start so bad at but, at the same time can feel yourself getting better at by learning the patterns and timing is great.

  • TheRTV FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Round Peg in Square Hole

    1 year ago

    Bruce is right about the exempt status. By Federal standards, software developers that make above a certain amount are not qualified for overtime. I'm a Junior software developer and I make the bottom 1% salary for my position's national average. It's differs from state to state, but generally states follow the Federal standards.

    That being said, you also have to take benefits into account. I have full health coverage including dental, vision, and life insurance. The corporate environment is lax too. No one cares that I have RT video podcasts running on my phone as long as I get my work done. Same goes for people having conversations in the office. When the company is up, we have all kinds of inner-company events that usually have alcohol. On the flip-side, when we're down we don't do as many events, but the office environment stays the same.


    There are times of the year that I will work up to 60 hours a week and some where it's just 40. That's just part of the job. Game developers have it much worse, but they chose that life. The people that continue to do game development, want to and more than likely, love that field. Their passion fuels them.

    I'm not saying it's right, but that's the way it is. I do believe that the government is trying to raise the software developer overtime exempt ceiling though. That is one way to fix the problem. Ultimately I generally find that if the developer's don't want to do it, they won't. They'll find another job or another career field. I have my complaints, but at the end of the day this is the type of work I want to do and how I want to make my living. I enjoy it and I'm sure most game developers do as well, if not more.

  • o_TheMuffin_o FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Full of nanners

    1 year ago

    Is there some kind of noise cancelling going on with the microphones? This is the second week it's been really noticeable to me so I'm wondering if something changed in the recording process. Either way, constantly hearing the mic turn off and on sounds terrible.

  • PunkCLInt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    So, if workers in the US game industry are stuck with bad conditions because a union is infeasible are employees in countrys where Unions are more respected (ie UK, Aus, Canada, NZ) treated better or are there no game developers unions anywhere? btw I'm drunk so forgive any spelling mistakes.

  • good2cya FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Horse McDoomkook

    1 year ago

    Bruce's poor finger :(

  • whalepoops

    1 year ago

    Hey! I was wondering how you guys interact with self-promotion on a personal level. Dude Soup, in tone, seems to be less driven by the sort of on-screen "characters" you seem to have built around yourselves, so I figured this might be the best place for this question. You guys seem to have fairly clear-cut roles within the FunHaus team. Is there a point during content creation where you feel like you step into a role to fill dead air? Do you assume that role prior to broadcast? Or is your on-screen personality just... I don't know... you? I guess what I'm asking is have you just managed to assemble a team that just naturally works? Or is a lot of what we, as viewers, see driven by the characters that you've de facto become?

  • klonetuul FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Here is my two cents about the overtime dilemma:

    From my point of view, at some point the employees are gonna find another job they would rather do or start not doing overtime. And at least where i live you can't fire someone for not doing unwarranted overtime, also if a company get's a bad rep for kicking the shit out of it's employees that is gonna have an effect on the company. My story below:


    i Work for a Postal service. I work on the Saturdays where there is only supposed to be delivered mail and packages and at that small amounts of mail and packages, so we are supposed to be a smaller team than the team who works these postal routes the rest of the week.

    The problem is we also deliver commercials and newspapers the rest of the week and especially Fridays are really overloaded with mail and commercials and newspapers. This makes us on the smaller team "have to" do overtime to actually clean up on all the overtime that is left over from the day before from people who left on time or we can leave some of the mail and clean up the newspaper and commercial routes faster and leave on time leaving overwork to the team Monday and hopping they deal with it, Now mostly we started out always cleaning up the mess and getting our overtime even though it sucks and the overwork isn't that much after taxing, but as we have kept cleaning up, the overwork never ends, no matter how much we try to change it up, be more efficient or talk to the managers inevitably there is always something left for us. A part of this is also due to the fact that we had some pretty massive layoffs while i have worked here.

    This has slowly led to some of my coworkers leaving for better or other opportunities and some of them getting fed up leaving the mail cleaning up the commercials and newspapers and leaving on time, thus leaving the Monday team to work harder again due to mail from Saturday. Now i and along with some others try to clean up best we can and be efficient even at the cost of overtime, but i just found a job that pays better and has me doing the same amount of hours, so i am leaving the company as well.

  • charlizetheron FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold (Lara)

    1 year ago

    I find the notion of celebrity so trivial. Given that we all buy into the celebrity machine somewhat, I still think that gaining even some significance in any way just serves to bring that person back into insignificance. If anyone listens to Sleater Kinney they'd know the lyric 'the only thing that comes from fame is mediocrity' - isn't what makes us attached to any celebrity how relatable they are? A celebrity's relatability is just a way for us common folk to bring them back down to our level and make us feel like they're one of us. I think that's part of why content creators on Youtube became so prominent. The whole atmosphere around producing content on the internet brings a sort of accessibility to the producers themselves because we all feel like they came from the community, and we could do what they're doing if we wanted to. Now we're beginning to find significance in those that started off as a plain old person, like PewdiePie or Markiplier, and of course they'd find it weird that their tweets are news. If internet personalities appeal to us because they're one of us (and in a sense we make them what they are because we watch their content), it creates an imbalance if all of a sudden they're on a pedastal and we look at them as some sort of celebrity.

  • Txuzai

    1 year ago

    You guys need a link dump!

  • MrJacinto FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hey I'm Grump

    1 year ago

    I don't understand why people complain constantly about YouTube (functionality or community), but outright refuse to leave it for another video-hosting site.

    • chespinsprouts Creator of #RTAce

      1 year ago

      Its a huge risk moving between platforms, not only from a business standpoint (which is a big thing as the majority of YouTubers depend on the site to make a living) but also from the public's standpoint. They have a huge risk of whether or not their fan base will move with them and how easy will it be for others to find and view their content. We saw Funhaus take the risk, moving from IG over to Rooster Teeth. They were lucky enough to have a huge portion of their fan base move with them.