VR SEX GONE TOO FAR? - Dude Soup Podcast #85

Dude Soup: VR SEX GONE TOO FAR? - Dude Soup Podcast #85

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The most thoughtful and earnest conversation on gender roles one could have with bikini-clad anime girls bouncing in the background.


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Endgadget - Dead or Alive VR is basically sexual assault, the game: https://www.engadget.com/2016/08/29/dead-or-alive-...


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  • Ryokugan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold 俺はのんびりやるために生まれてきた。

    1 year ago

    I had to look up the Dead or Alive VR thing they were talking about at the start. I agree that the video is a bit creepy, and it definitely has a sexual harassment vibe to it (and I think most Japanese people would agree with that). Anyhow, the girl in the game says two things, 嫌だ (iya da) and だめ (dame). Iya da being translated to "I don't like it" or "No, don't" is fairly accurate. Dame doesn't mean "bad", though. It has a few meanings, but in that context it would be more like "You shouldn't do that".


    Either way, she's pretty clearly apposed to being touched. What they said afterwards, especially comparing it to violent games, is a good point, though. Ultimately, I don't believe that most people would play that game and then think that it's okay to treat women like that, at least not anyone in the age group that the game is targeted toward. With someone younger, I think there's a bit more validity to the idea, but the game really shouldn't be sold to kids (just like kids shouldn't be playing GTA). Of course, I'm no expert, and I can only look at it from my own perspective. There's definitely a point to what Elyse said, too. I'd worry that a younger girl would see that and think that it's okay to be treated that way, just as much as that a young boy would think it's okay to treat a girl like that.

  • Parabella FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Team Leader RTX Sydney

    1 year ago

    Loved the open discussion about the topic; it's nice to hear a calm discussion about this with valid, well thought out points compared to majority of the "I-can-yell-louder-than-you" bullshit you normally see on the internet.

  • IThrowNapalm FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Resident Wizard

    1 year ago

    Thoroughly appreciated the more objective, or open, approach to the topic at the top of the episode.

    Very often, I play a Devil's advocate role in conversations about morality and perspective; and I feel like that role isn't as well represented as it should be, generally.

    As fallible and varied humans, there should be readily open venues for discussion and thought on how fucked up everything and everyone is within their own kinks (everyone has SOMETHING out of SOMEONE'S norm, we shouldn't lie about it).

    I feel like one of the larger issues, as I believe Lawrence brings up at a point, always comes back to whether or not the individual consuming whatever media it is at question is capable of taking the applicable context.

    I am well aware of my personal kinks, and I have no shame over them. I find appropriate outlets for said kinks and that's all there is to it, for me. The ideal, in my opinion, is the world where that goes for everyone.

    Let's all be open to ideas that aren't our own.

  • ComradeCleaner FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    On VR becoming mainstream I find there is a parallel between VR and the internet. Due to a variety of reasons it always seems that DARPA gets the ball rolling on tech innovations. It might have a lot to do with the most righteously outrageous defense budget on planet Earth and an entire complement of Nazi scientists. Back in 2010 I got to do training on the DARWARS Ambush! simulator at Fort Chaffee. Even by that time the simulator was dated due to it being seven years old. The software if memory serves was based on Operation Flashpoint. The simulator pods were in the back of two full size 18 wheelers with headsets whose displays were low res and gave people a pounding headache. You could not wear prescription glasses on them at all if you were a vehicle gunner. Even still the half mock-up of the M-2 .50 machinegun was badass. That baby had full 360 degree swivel and simulated manual reloads. With a single 100 round belt I exterminated thirty terrorists and two Toyota Hilux Technicals. Then a tank appeared out of thin air and blew up my MRAP because we were supposed to die to the ambush no matter what (because lessons). It was probably the most fun I had in training even if the magic T-72 was bullshit. The way I see it DARWARS ambush is like ARPANET. Good proof of concept with a big footprint that the average person couldn't really afford to have. The Vive at least seems like the future is coming. Personally I want light gun peripherals that work like real steel fire arms and an omni treadmill as soon as they're affordable which might be a ways off.


    I have to say I was also surprised and impressed about your guys candid discussion on the sticky subject of pedophilia and mental health.

    If it were not for a visit to a campus counseling clinic back in 2011. I probably wouldn't be here today. It's sad to say but every 65 minutes a veteran decides to pull the trigger for the last time (on themselves). I know guys that did end up committing suicide. I know why I was thinking about it. I don't know their reasons, and I guess I'll never know. Luckily I remembered enough reasons not to die. I believe it was Burnie who said guys have a stigma over seeking medical help. I think for mental health that statement is twice as true. It is not a sign of weakness to ask for help when you need it. It does not mean you're messed up or defective. If you need help get it. If you don't think you need help go for the novelty of it. It can't hurt to learn more about yourself. It can hurt everyone you know if you slip through the cracks.


  • LadyDisdain FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I love James. When Adam was talking about how kids are going to have sex no matter what because it's a human drive and you can't curb it and James said "Unless you're asexual," that one little comment just made my day. As someone who is asexual, hearing him casually validating asexuality just really warmed my heart. That may not have even been his intention but still.

  • Nomad1990 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I dunno if its the type of camera or the light or whatever but on Lawrence's individual shot he looks really hi def, like he's right there and I can touch him... Can I touch him?

  • TRSChaos FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    My 2cent on the topic


    I can understand why some have "legitimate" concerns about the game but this game itself really doesn't translate to real-life harassment. The mistreatment of female (and males) have been a problem long before videogames. Most adults should have a fundamental understanding of the digital world and the real world. Now if a person under the age of 17 is playing a similar game, I can see the concerns of young players playing the game but this should raise another flag. DOA is typically a M-Rated game, which means younger players are already barred from purchases the game themselves. It's typically the IDIOTIC PARENTS who PURCHASES M-RATED GAMES for THEIR UNDERAGE KIDS. It the PARENTS fault that their child is exposed to sex, language, and violence if they purchases the game OR ALLOW THEM UNRESTRICTED ACCESS to the internet.

  • RTCappucci FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I really liked this episode. Very interesting topics and well informed discussion about said topics.

  • bethbubbles FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I just wanted to say thank you guys so much for making this video. Talking about the issues of female representation in media (video games particularly) in such a sensitive, balanced, honest and at times light-hearted way is something I've tried to tackle with my male friends for years with not a lot of success. It's honestly the best feeling to know that a group of youtubers/entertainers/content-creators/whatever-you-guys-are share your beliefs when so many people in the same community don't, like I can't explain how much it means.


    Elyse, you're quickly becoming a role-model to me and I want to thank you so much for saying what you said in relation to growing up as a female and some of the issues that are caused as a result of gender-based discrimination even as kids, because I've felt exactly the same way for basically my whole adolescent stage. I'm 20 now but if I can be as funny and smart and hard-working as you are Elyse, I will consider myself to be a success. You're awesome and I thank Rooster Teeth and Funhaus and whoever else for the day that Funhaus hired you.


    You guys are fucking awesome <3

  • TheMenWhoSit FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I like when Funhaus tackles the issues!

  • Lorhechapol FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Watching the horror on Elyse's face when James started breaking down trying to make the connection between Emily Rogers and Reggie Fis-Aime was heartbreaking. At that moment she realized she would have to be one of those couples where the wife would have to take care of a vegetable for the rest of their life. It's a very sad situation, I'm sorry Elyse.

  • ZeroHowl FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    On younger people gaining an understanding of society from the media they consume - absolutely. Lawrence said he thought everything was cliques. I thought everything was meant to be super dramatic. I was always trying to seem serious and emotional, because I thought that's how people interacted. It took me a good few years to work out I could just relax.

    On the Pavlovian response deterioration, it depends on how heavily enforced the stimulus is to the response. For example, James said he goes to Korean barbecue and then doesn't want to go back for a week. This isn't necessarily the best example, because the result associated with the stimulus of a large amount of meat is feeling full and probably satisfied. Unless every time James goes to Korean barbecue he throws up, or someone punches him in the face or some such. Again using an example from my own life, I once ate a huge box of chocolate freckles as a kid, and I threw up all night. Now I can't even think about chocolate freckles without feeling a little nauseous. That was nearly 20 years ago.

    Side note, Lawrence describing a watch as timeless is a fantastically terrible endorsement, and it was so off-hand I can't tell if it was intentional or not.

  • BrassMonkeieie FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    awwww Bruce, I think you're hilarious

  • tara

    1 year ago

    I love hearing Elyse on any podcast but specifically this one to offer a female perspective. I hear so many women in the industry/community of gaming who just have a lot of emotions and no firm grasp on what their opinions actually are. They end up contradicting themselves and I think those people cause more harm than good. One thing I love about the funhaus crew, and this podcast is another example of it, they are old, uh matured and they know how to share their educated opinions, offer counter points and actually have a discussion.


    I really appreciate Elyse being part of the team. Funhaus audience may skew older but any young female viewers could look to Elyse as a good role model, especially in not taking things too seriously all the time.


    Sorry for all the compliments Elyse.


    -fellow former northern-er.

  • Technicasualty

    1 year ago

    Do any of you listen to the "Waking Up" podcast by neurologist, Sam Harris? He deals a lot with ethics, morality, free will, perception vs reality and moral and social relativism. It's pretty dry, but delves into a lot of various philosophical arguments that are data-driven. He also did a "new atheist" meeting called, "The Four Horsemen," (on You Tube) with Christopher Hitchens (political commentator), Daniel Dennet (philosopher and cognitive scientist) and Richard Dawkins (evolutionary biologist and ethologist).

    I got to wondering about this because Adam was asking about how little we know about the human brain, which is certainly true. However, Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) has gained significant ground in their resolution and in shortening read times. Sam and many other prominent neuroscientists in the media have mentioned that we are in "the golden age of neuroscience" right now. The recent finding of grid cells, which are neurons that allow certain species to understand their relative positioning in Euclidean space, is fascinating, though it remains to see how this plays out in humans.


    Also, a fairly recent episode of Fresh Air with Terry Gross had the tale of John Elder Robison, who was diagnosed with Autistic Spectrum Disorder. He was treated with Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation, which narrowly blasts specific areas of the brain with magnetic fields. One of the most telling parts of the interview is this:

    "When I was able to see emotion it wasn't just in my marriage, it was in the people all around me, and I saw that the world was filled with angst and fear and worry. But you know the really hardest thing was seeing people that I had thought had been my friends and realizing that they were laughing at me and I thought we were all laughing together at jokes, and I was the joke."

  • majinosity FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    This "VR" poke game is tame compared to other VR compatible games that are already out.

  • WoodcocksJohnson FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Hey all! I love these podcasts because while I don't always agree with your opinions, I always respect that you all inform yourselves and leave yourselves open to learning from others. That is why I felt the need to chime in and comment for the first time. I really appreciated James' stance on seeking mental health, but as a doctoral student in clinical psychology, I wanted to clear up a few things.

    First, I wanted to make distinctions between different levels of mental health professionals. You recommended people see psychiatrists, which I understand, since they are typically most often referenced in media and are seen as more medical and therefore more prestigious. However, I believe you were thinking more along the lines of a psychologist or counselor. Psychiatrists' (MD) primary role is to evaluate a person's physical health so that an appropriate prescription can be made to treat a mental disorder with medication. Psychiatrists are obviously needed in cases of more neurological illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar, as well as extreme cases of anxiety or depression in which suicide risk might be high. Clinical psychologists (PhD or PsyD) perform assessments to determine psychological functioning and make diagnoses and recommendations, and they can also perform therapy. I believe this is more along the lines of what James was suggesting. Obviously, I am most knowledgable about this role, since I am being trained in it. I would suggest seeing a clinical psychologist to determine a problem and then go from there. I am obviously biased on the topic, but I would also suggest seeing a psychologist for treatment for a diagnosable disorder, since programs tend to give 5+ years of training as opposed to counseling programs' 2 years. Finally, Counselors (which make up a broader group of degrees and training) also perform therapy. I would recommend a counselor to someone with life problems that are causing undue stress or complications, but may not be clinical, such as relationship problems, adjustment problems, general depression or anxiety, etc.

    The other thing I wanted to address was the topic of brain chemistry that was mentioned. Elyse made a good point that brain chemistry can be changed later in life, not necessarily just develop with time. However, James seemed to dismiss those changes as irreversible and made a comment that seemed to distinguish medicine and psychology as separate entities. Those two are not mutually exclusive. In fact, I am currently taking a Clinical Neuropsychology course in order to integrate medical knowledge with the more social aspects of psychology. We follow something called a bio-psycho-social model, which means we integrate knowledge across fields in order to better understand and treat disorders. Additionally, brain chemistry and structures do not only change for the worse. There is research that shows that therapy results in physical changes in the brain. One such study showed that treatment with medication and treatment with talk therapy resulted in the same or comparable changes in brain anatomy. This not only confirms the effects of therapy, but suggests that more physiological disorders can be altered with treatment.

    TL:DR - There are many different roles and services within the field of mental health that people should be aware of. Additionally, people often underestimate psychology and its relation to what are seen as more "hard sciences". I hope I came off as less accusatory and more informational. I just want people to be more informed on what I see as an incredibly important topic. I also encourage any other mental health professionals to contribute or correct me if I got something wrong!


    • Technicasualty

      1 year ago

      Spot on about seeing a psychologist first for non-psychotic or severely neurological disorders,. I would also say to shop around. Not all psychologists, especially the older ones, have overlapping skill-sets. There's still a large market divide between the Freudian and Cognitive Behavior Therapy camps.


      There's an Invisibilia segmented titled, "Dark Thoughts," that dealt with a man who became chronically obsessed with murder after watching the movie, "City of God;" about street-gang violence in Sao Paulo. There's a pretty interesting discussion about the difference from his first session with a Freudian psychologist and then his following meeting with a CBT psychologist.

      I'm merely a layman, becoming an RN, but interested in cognitive behavior and neuroscience in general. However, even from my limited pool of understanding, you're completely correct that people need to understand the differences in various mental health professions.

  • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Thank you guys for another thoughtful podcast. I love the normal fun kind but I really appreciate it when you incorporate these kinds of discussions too.

  • jagolde

    1 year ago

    How wonderful that these four GET IT. They all can fluently discuss these complex issues and it shows that you don't need to have done high level research on the subject to approach it properly. Lawrence especially has always truly impressed me with his instincts, knowledge, and understanding when it comes to issues of consent/gender/etc. James consistently brings other important viewpoints to the table, like reframing it around young women, and Elyse does a great job about recasting the issue in the broader sense of culture.


    Thank you Funhaus, and to be perfectly honest, not what I necessarily expected based on the way that sexual assault is often discussed on the internet (even, sadly, here at Rooster Teeth. I shudder to think how some of the other podcasts would have "handled" this).

    • NeoMadDog NeoMadDog

      1 year ago

      I think that because Funhaus is the "new kid on the block" of Rooster Teeth content that they really had to form their own style of content, instead of being considered an AH clone. Now, this is from the perspective of someone who hasn't seen much Inside Gaming content, so I don't know if there was a previous incarnation of Dude Soup, but I really like how Funhaus has thoughtful discussion of relatively controversial current events in the entertainment industry. The RT Podcast typically observes current events in general and makes jokes about it, the Off Topic podcast seems to be more about the lives of the Achievement Hunters as they see the world. But Funhaus takes a recent development of the gaming or film industry and really discusses it in depth with the knowledge they have. A joke is rarely made, but you get to hear some interesting notes on some troublesome topics.


      And, I think it's a breath of fresh air from the rest of RT. Not that the RT Podcast or Off Topic podcast isn't bad, but Dude Soup is different and allows RT to make more varied content. Also, if you like this, I would also recommend the Game Over Greggy Show from Kinda Funny, in which they also try to tackle some controversy with their own opinions and challenge people to think about current events while considering outside opinions.

  • Styx FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Really liked the podcast. Super insightful. There's gonna be lot of weird moral questions surrounding VR as it gets more and more advanced/available


  • SlothyPooh FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Great podcast!!!

  • AquaticGiraffe FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    First, I really loved listening to you guys have a serious conversation about something like this. It's awesome getting to listen to you guys go into such depth, and you do it in such a mature and respectful manner. Great stuff.

    Second, I'm totally with Elyse on the feeling like you're not allowed to be proud thing. For me I think a lot of it stemmed from the trope of the vain ~popular~ girl from a lot of 80s and 90s media. As a kid it was obvious that these girls were supposed to be considered bad for acting like that (since it usually comes alongside a nasty personality in general), so I always wanted to make sure I wasn't like that. Somewhere in my young, impressionable mind any kind of confidence equated to vanity, so I just kind of convinced myself that it's better to downplay your achievements and try to seem modest. It's a tricky thing to move past and accept when you've done it for so long and realize that being confident and forward doesn't mean you're a cock.

  • vongunther FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I wish the free condom bowls had larger condoms in them with the normal sized ones

  • SwitchIt24

    1 year ago

    I empathize with Elyse in respect to the feeling like it's not okay to be proud. I was constantly afraid growing up and at points now, as an adult, of doing something that would leave me with a negative label. Things like loud, arrogant, dumb, nerdy, teachers pet, boyish, slutty, prude, desperate, clingy, crazy. The labels were different for each age throughout my life and relationships.

    Its not a huge stressor on a daily basis, but something that's always been in the background. The same way you stop doing something because you know it's illegal. I don't know if this is applicable to all women or men, or if I've been overly sensitive but just an observation. As far as the cause, I don't think it's one particular video game or event. Most likely just a wide range of observations of social interactions. I don't think the VR games like this should cause an issue. This type of stuff, and worse, has been around in video and game format for a long time; anime and human character. Until there is studies in the effects of VR, there should not be the assumption that it is worse than all the more horrid type of stuff on the internet. As far as young people, I think schools and parents should seriously focus to ensure children are being introduced and interact with the internet in healthy ways - the reality behind what they do, and the difference of that stuff and reality. At this stage, the growth of tech and the internet is beyond anyone's control - adults can however control how the young grow into it.

  • wickedsnakes FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    In my opinion the game is just a game, and that's it. I mean there is a torture scene in GTA where the player has to actively participate to torture somebody in order to progress through it, and even though it's not my cup of tea, I still think ANYTHING is ok in the video game, because ITS JUST A GAME. Although, a part of me feels like if they would add the same VR game for male characters in Dead or Alive, I would feel better :) also there should definitely be age restriction on those types of games, as Lawrence said.

    • NeoMadDog NeoMadDog

      1 year ago

      I think that the idea of "It's just a game" can only go so far. Whether we like it or not, everything is an argument for something. So in GTA V when you torture someone to find information of someone who might not even be guilty, there's a sense of being uncomfortable with the morally dark grey you are in, or possibly sadistic pleasure at the other end. But it's relatively clear that uncomfortable feeling is intentional, that it's something that shouldn't make you feel proud about, because the game is satirical and makes it understood that torture isn't supposed to be enjoyed.


      A game that let's you fill the role as a rapist or sexual predator has an even more moral shade of grey, because in this case, you are MEANT to enjoy it. You're supposed to take pleasure in hurting an innocent woman, which is something that could become more influential to youth and easily-impressionable people. Because unlike GTA V, which damns the notions of torture by forcing you to partake in it, you are encouraged to do wrong because it feels good.


      I'm not saying that this game shouldn't be made, but I do agree with you that some pretty significant age restrictions should be placed on games that seem to encourage sexual assault.

  • heathercat FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    It's definitely hard to explain why I'm okay with gun violence in video games and not sexual violence like in the game described, but I think it comes down to that in a first person shooter, killing someone is just a mechanic for progressing the game. You shoot them once or twice and move on to the next one. Repeatedly touching the same woman despite the fact that she tells you to stop isn't a repetitive mechanic that's become standard in gaming. It's personal and deliberate, and probably more akin to a torture scene than shooting up a room full of enemies. The game is more or less a first person sexual assault simulator passed off as porn. Whether you get off to it or find it funny, it trivializes the actual sexual assault women go through, and I don't think you should be able to justify it by saying the game is far removed from reality because a team of people from the real world sat down and decided to put it in the game.

    Also, I appreciate that you guys are willing to talk about topics like this. Thank you and keep it up!

  • DocNameless FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I really enjoyed this podcast. I didn't know about this in Dead or Alive, but you guys basically said all and more of the type of thoughts had initially and that I would think about on this subject. Love it when you guys are making jokes at each other's expense, but I do also appreciate more serious talking.

  • Mikhael

    1 year ago

    Loved this podcast especially because it went far beyond the media you normally talk about. I just want to correct you on something though: it is actually legal to eat human flesh in countries like the UK and Germany, normally cannibals get arrested for murder and for "profanating" the corpse and I read once about someone in Britain eating tonsils and not getting arrested for it(not sure it's true tho).

  • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    As appalled as I am by this, it's a simulation where no one gets hurt, as Adam started to say. In the immediate future, I'd say maybe there's some pervert with a conscience who's into this sort of thing and wants to live out that fantasy without hurting anyone. But it could also make someone realize they like this sort of thing and decide to act it out in real life. Really there's no way to tell, but I think it's a safe alternative for someone who could eventually become a rapist if not deterred by this. And by God I hope I'm right.

  • Exellter FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Damn guys, this podcast really helped me see many arguments from angles I'd never considered. Thank you.

  • Enigmatic_Eagle Commenting Extraordinair

    1 year ago

    Great dude soup today! And thanks for leaving the gameplay video on throughout the whole podcast. It wasn't distracting at all.

  • DerrickFord FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    It's never fair for anyone to point at a video game and say that playing it will change a person's actions in society. People are all different and react to outside influences in a variety of ways. Anyone who plays a violent or sexually violent game and concludes that what is portrayed in it can be applied to the real world, then they are mentally ill, or are too young to comprehend real world consequences. Either way, those people need a more competent person to help them realize that games do not equate to reality

    • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Video games can affect you subconsciously. i've always been a, may i say gentle, zen as fuck person and just started gaming 4 years ago. Since then I've had random violent outbursts and subconscious thoughts. You're right in that everyone can be affected differently, but extended exposure to anything can take its toll on your subconscious in some way.

  • themarchgirl FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I thought your discussion on this topic was very balanced and mature, thank you for taking topics like this seriously! I have to say though, I wasn't sure about your comparison of obesity and pedophilia. I understand how you made the link (individuals dealing with their problems privately) but obese people don't take advantage of vulnerable people who are often in their care, scarring them for life, and there are often multiple reasons for people struggling with their weight (depression, poverty, impact of media etc) that are out of their control. I suppose you could say the same for people with pedophilic fantasies, and I agree that games like this could offer a private indulging of these interests without involving others, but I personally feel it's very different. Sorry if this is nitpicking, I have very severe body dysmorphia (to the point that I avoid reflections and photos) and I have gained more weight in the last few years as I surrounded myself with people who had very negative views of overweight people. It makes you not want to leave the house because you're so ashamed, let alone go to a gym. Stress and self-hatred does not help you lose weight.


    Again I absolutely love your podcast and really enjoyed your discussion. I just wanted to share a different perspective.

    • themarchgirl FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I can't edit/delete so I'm replying to my own comment because I don't feel I expressed myself well here. Here is kind of a tldr:


      I don't think obesity and pedophilia are comparable because imo obesity doesn't objectively harm/take advantage of others. I am a person with weight + body image problems which is why I wanted to comment on this. I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.


      Something I also wanted to point out is that you could say a lot about how society as a whole infantilises women (I'm talking about Western culture here). If you look at protagonists in Hollywood romance movies, the main male characters have an age range of mid-20s to near 50s, whereas female protagonists tend to stay very young. This is the same for both characters and actors. So while I agree that games like this could offer a private indulgence in a dangerous fantasy with nobody else involved, there's already an existing attitude that women are at their most attractive/desirable when they are young. It might not be explicitly intended but it's sort of subconsciously there.


      Anyway as I said, I really enjoyed the podcast this week. Sorry for rambling on about this!

  • danvterra13 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I love all of Rooster Teeth's various podcasts for different reasons.


    I love the the RT Podcast because of the chill, hangout vibe that feels like chatting with old friends. I love Off Topic because of the insane unpredictability and anything can happen feeling. I love The Patch for the insider discussion of video games and electronics. And, I love Dude Soup for the deep, well though discussions by intelligent people on important topics in media, that's balanced out by a bunch of dick and fart jokes. Never change Funhaus, you guys are amazing. :

  • RimmyTom FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RimmyTim

    1 year ago

    I think Elyse's comment on girls not being allowed to be boisterous has some relevance but in the last few years, and certainly whilst I was at school, boys are now being told they also can't be boisterous. Often being prescribed a variety of medications to sedate them. It seems the school system would rather slow down boys to match the perceived focus of girls rather than allowing both boys and girls to learn and behave with some kind of personality and expression regardless of gender.

  • tnutt10370 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Quick comment because I really appreciate your videos:

    Your videos are always guaranteed to make me laugh and brighten my day with your dumb comments and conversations that are secretly witty (and sometimes just dumb, but that is great too), however, I also love to listen to your opinions (whether or not I agree) because you guys do a great job peppering the discussion with humor, jokes, and interesting examples/scenarios. I know that people are going to talk crap soon because they always do, but I thoroughly enjoyed this video (perhaps my favorite Dude Soup this month) even though I wish Bruce was on it (the pedophile Bruce obviously, not the Bruce ;D). Keep up that good work, you bafooks.

  • Lixxieb FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Art person

    1 year ago

    Really grateful for Elyse providing a female perspective in discussions! She puts across her point very eloquently too!

  • CPiper98 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I love how everyone just stared at James as he tried to bust open the Roger's Nintendo leaks

  • CivicTV FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    The silence at 47:29 is really quite amazing.

  • improvis FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Radiolab is the podcast from which Elyse shared the story about the musician

  • ChadJohnson FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Seriously guys this is why I love you all. You brighten my days w/ your comedy & then you discuss topics of this nature. The human mind/nature, technology & our future. Just a great show thank you so much for everything.

  • Salty_Platypus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    "violent crimes have gone down as video game popularity has gone up"?!

    whats the correlation there, by that logic i could say that sexting has increased as cancer diagnosis has increased therefore, sexting causes cancer.

    • cmitts93 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Gay Robot

      1 year ago

      I think the correlation is that more people are playing video games which means they're not outside where a crime against others could possibly be committed. You can't prove that one causes the other but if we're talking sheer numbers, less people on the street means less crime.

    • FlyingTortoisesOfBakla FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      There have been studies surrounding the issues, but I also find the correlation to be convenient at best. (I studied new media cultural influences a bit in school)


      Here's an article that details some of the points they touch on (it literally says "insufficient evidence" in the first sentence):

      http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2015/08/vio...

    • Mikhael

      1 year ago

      Adam said that there probably isn't a correlation, have you been listening?

  • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I can't wait for people to try to justify saying that the Dead or Alive thing. They'll be completely wrong, but I'd love to hear their arguments. It's going to be wonderfully stupid.

  • Zappata15 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Wow for a group of people that try to create comedy this was some very deep thinking. We do not understand everything, different cultures for different countries, everyone is different, and the individual is different from a group. There is no real answer.