Will Suicide Squad SUCK? - #65

Dude Soup: Will Suicide Squad SUCK? - #65

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Another week where we masquerade pervasive pessimism as enlightened skepticism. Also, you're in for some big ass words now that Joel's not writing this anymore. Better bust out that dictionary, because we're going to drag you to good SAT scores kicking and screaming.

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  • teSouthern FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    While I do agree with Funhaus that game play is the most important thing take can make or break the game, I have to disagree with them that video game stories are not as good as movies or books. I think that video games just have a very different and unique way of telling a story to the player compared to other forms of entertainment, which is why the video games have such a hard time translating to movies. I think what makes video games so interesting is that they do not need to always tell such a personal story about the main character, because in many that main character is created by you, your thoughts and motivations are supposed to be your character's thoughts and motivations. Instead they focus more on building and creating the world around the main character so that you can have a more personal and immersive experience.

  • CodedThreat FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold VicariousTool

    1 year ago

    I think you guys should just start a podcast called SUCK. The past couple dudesoup episodes have had the same title and I actually feel it would be a good series. Just talk about movies and TV shows and then explain How it sucked or If it will suck or even how it might suck, but be a good kind of suck. I would watch/listen to it. No playing games though, just you guys on the couch, so you guys can really concentrate on what you're saying. Just a thought! You can have it.

  • AmiralPatate FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    What if we had games where you don't need to unlock stupid stuff?


    Stuff is the laziest form of reward. XP and credits counting up are just a cheap way to addict people. But not the game per se, to a counter going up. The main drive of multiplayer these days seem to be bars filling up. What happened to the good ol' joy of killing? I want more games like NFS Most Wanted 2012 where you can drive the Aston Martin from the beginning rather than to have to sit in a bloody Peugeot 106 for hours.

    • sirlarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Agreed. I love how Overwatch does it. Everyone has the same characters and weapons from the start, all you get are sprays and skins and voices.

  • tdb1726 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I love campaign modes, and Titanfall's campaign was nothing but multiplayer. The reason people gave up on the campaign is because it wasn't really a single player campaign. The whole game was just multiplayer, which I'm not a huge fan of.

  • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I have to ask, why do people hate Jarod Leto's Joker from only trailers?

    • meloncider

      1 year ago

      People don't like change. Leto's joker is different from all the other renditions. It'll take time for people to get used to.

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Right, this is the internet after all.

    • EliseVanHowe FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Personally speaking, I just don't think Leto's that good an actor and I'm underwhelmed by the stories/hype surrounding his Joker. (also, if HALF of the stories about him on set are true, it feels more like a bully trying to psych out his victims than any kind of method for taking on the Joker?)

  • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Man Lawrence got shat on hard trying to defend Gears, I felt sorry for him. But that discussion reinforced my belief that everyone focuses on different things with art, and everyone takes different things from it. So even when someone likes something I hate, I remind myself that they either don't mind the parts I disliked or they found something positive in it that I didn't see.

    • Balarush FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kneel.

      1 year ago

      I loved Gears 1, so much so I have the original, the PC version, and both remasterings. Yeah, it's repetitive, but like Lawrence says, what game isn't repetitive? I'm looking forward to Gears 4 if it's going back to that unknown dark place.

  • jclark2747 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Adam you hardly sound like you wanna be on the podcast! Not having a go, just noticed you seem quite unhappy with most subjects mentioned haha

  • TheCommissar113 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    The theory Adam mentioned about Sera being a world that the humans colonized and pushed the Locusts underground was my favorite in Gears of War, and made their relationship very interesting to me. The actual story was waaaaay more boring and obvious from a thousand miles away once Gears of War 2 came out. I was disappointed.

    • TheCommissar113 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I should add that I wasn't expecting Gears of War to be the height of storytelling or anything, I was just kinda disappointed that the actual explanation for the existence of the Locusts was exactly what I thought it would be.

    • Balarush FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kneel.

      1 year ago

      Human experimentation with Imulsion leading to a jaded child of scientists using said experimentation years later to make an army of mutated and indoctrinated humans (now Locust) to wage war on humans as revenge.

      That's it, right?

  • X_Nation_1 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Hi guys, well my opinion means shit, but I'll still give it. This episode really felt like hating everything. The overall vibe felt shitty and jaded. I'm not necessarily a DC fan or Gears fan (really not) but it felt like dumping on things other folks like and it started a train. I'm personally not into any of the comic movies and Gears was one of those IPs that I never got around to playing. Just felt like criticism ruled the episode and the medication for that was to dump on something else. I like a lot of things that aren't critically renowned. Best take away is to be OK to let folks enjoy what they like and not dump all over things I don't personally prefer. Keep up the good work, at the very least it made me think and take a look internally at how I treat/speak on things that aren't necessarily my cup of tea.

    • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      It really annoys me when they say stuff along the lines of "Video game stories aren't as good as movies or books, and anyone who really enjoys them is a pleb who doesn't read enough books." Like who are you to say that my enjoyment isn't as valuable as yours? That kind of snooty attitude is insulting and shows a total lack of understanding of how subjective appreciation works. At the end of the day art is only as valuable as the reaction it provokes in it's audience, no more, no less.

    • sirlarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      It was pretty universally negative, I agree. That's (somewhat) rare for us so hopefully it doesn't turn you off too much.

  • sushi021

    1 year ago

    Dope thumbnail.

  • KWAIG FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hipster Bafook

    1 year ago

    In amongst all of this deep chat about game plots and how well developers relay this to their audience can we all take a sombre moment to appreciate Adam's haircut? Thank you.

  • WillB94 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I am someone who actually enjoyed BvS (although it had a lot of problems) and I am hopeful for Suicide Squad. That being said, I think Adam is a little defensive when it comes to criticism of DC's cinematic universe. I love DC but there are definitely a lot of things to criticise and a lot of scepticism to be had.

    Somehow in spite of everything I am still looking forward to Justice League, I hope creativity and passion can defeat all the studio and executive pressure to make money.

  • Matt317 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold the guy

    1 year ago

    I do find it a bit hypocritical that Adam doesn't like it when people are pessimistic about Suicide Squad (which I agree) but then is immediately pessimistic regarding Gears of War 4 even when he apparently didn't watch the trailer and only went by Blaine's tweet. As for the characters being "goofy looking" that also wasn't the case with the trailer either since at this point you can tell that the character designs have been gravitating to a more normal look as opposed to the meathead look of previous games. Whether or not the game will actually have effective drama is yet to be seen, but atleast now it's obvious the Coalition has been making an effort to make it more believable and "genuine" as Lawrence pointed out.


    Also, it would help if Adam played more of Quantum Break instead of blithely dismissing it.


    Other than that, this was a good episode as usual.

  • PunkCLInt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I would've liked to have heard their opinions on Rouge One and maybe a little less Gears Of Talk, but what do I know about podcasts?


    • DrumBoxyThng FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Yeah Red One looks really cool

    • PunkCLInt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      oh...

    • sirlarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Adam mentioned that we didn't talk about Rogue One at all after we finished and I deflated.

  • Serentil FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Maybe it's because I am biased towards it, as I am polish, but it almost hurts me when they talk about story in videogames and they don't mention The Witcher, especially the third one. I know it's a long-ass game, and it might a long time for you to become invested in its world, but it doesn't force you to watch unskippable cutscenes, you never have to walk slowly, because you have to follow someone. You don't skip cutscenes because you care about the characters. Also, for me it was extremly emotional, but I guess it's because I got attached to the characters by reading the books. Dunno, I just love The Witcher and I'd love for Funhaus team to love it too. I know that Adam started playing it, but it was too long and he didn't have time to finish it, I don't know about the rest of the team. Anyway - I agree with almost everything you said, but I believe that there is a major percentage of people that play the game mostly for the story - myself included. And it's not because these people are illiterate, for me it's the story that keeps me playing the game, more so than fun gameplay. Of course gameplay is important, but if the story keeps me hooked, I might play the game regardless of its imprefections. But if there's no story or the story is shitty, no matter how fun the gameplay is, I don't think I could finish up the game - speaking only about single player mode. But that's just my two cents. Love your work guys, keep it up!

    • Kisushima FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Let me chime in then.
      They make great games all round. Story. Mechanics. Sound design. Level design. Everything. Fuck yeah CDPA!

      Most video games don't have 'good' story. Enjoyable is different to good. Tired and cliché isn't good, but it can be enjoyable.

    • sirlarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Witcher 3 is the bessssst

  • Marx_92 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Actions Inspire Change

    1 year ago

    I loved Titanfall and was disappointed that it wasn't as popular as other games in the genre. I'd love to see Titanfall 2 take a page out of Battlefield's book and have more players, larger maps, Frostbite engine, etc.

    • Jin_D3vil FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold The Scotsman

      1 year ago

      I am excited for Titanfall 2, I loved Titanfall but it had a lot of things wrong with it. The Campaign not changing based on who wins was a tad bit lazy and ultimately made it short lived. They had a lot of really interesting game modes and while the lower number of players in a game was an issue for a lot of people I actually enjoyed that. They managed to make it feel large and interesting with minimal players, which is impressive. I am hoping they'll do it really well this time and really build on a great initial idea and make it a great overall game.


      Just please no Smart Gun against players. Make it for farming AI if you want, but it's just really dull and annoying when any game has an auto-aim weapon and removes skill. When someone goes pure SG it tends to lead the other players to just go full auto-shotgun and that never ends well. :P

    • Marx_92 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Actions Inspire Change

      1 year ago

      I agree that the AI soldiers running around did make the game feel larger than it was, but after a while it did start to feel like a COD clone (even though I feel like it was vastly superior to recent ones). I like the idea of them going to a Battlefield sized scale because I think it would help Titanfall 2 stand out more from other FPS games, something similar to what the old Star Wars Battlefront games had (large maps, vehicles, AI soldiers).

  • BalfourWong FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Bluhdrain

    1 year ago

    I agree a lot with Adam. I feel like he is less critical to films, although I love Jame's critique on a lot of movies. Best of both worlds.

  • Crumpington FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I feel like the reason, that people have such a strong reaction and appreciation for the story in video games in particular, is that people feel a stronger connection to the story, because of the interactive nature of the medium and the amount of time devoted to it. A book or movie, while the story is usually objectively superior, you're still simply watching or reading someone else's work through the eyes of an observer. The Last of Us, in particular had such a huge impact on people, because they spent the last 10 hours playing as Joel, so they have a better time empathizing with him and understanding the story from his perspective. Personally, my favorite game of all time is Portal 2 be cause the Chell as a character doesn't speak and is never really referred to by name. This makes it pretty easy to insert myself into the story and enjoy the world of Aperture as if I were the test subject and appreciate the characters and world that Valve created.

    • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      "A book or movie, while the story is usually objectively superior"


      I agree with you except about this. There really is no such thing as objectively superior art. What's the value of a painting floating through space with no one to appreciate it? The only value in it is what it makes someone feel when they see it. The value is in your reaction, inside you, not inside the painting (or the binary code of a video game in the case of this discussion).

      As the crew alluded to in this podcast, other mediums like books tend to have more detailed stories and more fleshed out characters because the medium allows more of that information to be stuffed in. But does that automatically make it more enjoyable? Of course not. My enjoyment of a story often has little to do with how detailed it is.

      I could go on, but my point is that there is no objective, codified model of what makes a "good" story.

  • Balarush FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kneel.

    1 year ago

    Gears was a shit game story wise, it explained nothing by the end and the writers literally said "if you want to know the story, buy the books". It's a shitty practice and I'm glad Gears 4 isn't with Epic anymore. Now they might actually have a decent story attached. Books should expand a universe and not be essential to it, not the other way around.

    Edit: I think Lawrence is doing what he always does, confusing his own opinion with fact. You can think a story is good and like it, and be right. Liking something and thinking they are good are both subjective. I'm confused as to why Lawrence always says games don't have good stories when it's personal to each individual experiencing it.

    • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      The whole approach of "put everything meaningful in the books" really pissed me off with Halo and Gears, both series had a lot of interesting stuff in their universes but I hated the approach they took in telling it. And this is from someone who read every Halo book until the 5th game came out.

    • Balarush FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kneel.

      1 year ago

      Yep, yep, same here. When 343 took over they moved to the "The juicy stuff is in the books" philosophy, which, as a massive fan of the books and games before it, made me stop reading them all together and just Wiki what I missed. Same with Gears.

    • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I wouldn't blame 343 for it though, the real story of Halo was always in the books, ever since Fall of Reach. At least 343 have acknowledged some of the expanded lore and put some of it in the games.

    • Balarush FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kneel.

      1 year ago

      True, unlike Bungie who shat on their book readers with Reach.

  • raulkolk .dll

    1 year ago

    I can't believe how well Lawrence can play while talking.

  • Matt317 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold the guy

    1 year ago

    James Rolfe has continued to make great videos for over a decade. Y'all should definitely collaborate with him sometime.

  • s3bast1an FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Unique Mix

    1 year ago

    well guys as a well versed 16 year old guy who enjoys reading as much as playing games, and has being doing both since really young, i believe there is really some true merit in having good stories in video game. i do agree that a forced story does not add to a game and that story is maybe not the most important part on a game but if you are really worrying about repetition a story deprived game gets repetitive a lot faster as you dont that secondary objective to follow/be interested in(the first objective being the gameplay) and even if the gameplay is solid with just focus on it and nothing more you will realize a lot faster that you are really just doing the same thing because you lack that extra interest or distraction that story adds. A perfect example of this would be the original Alan Wake game, it had great gameplay but it didnt change much, there where some cool boss fights but the formula was the same all trough the game, what really kept me interested and without notice in the repetition was the story. The story in Alan Wake was perfect in the way it was told, the game only once stopped you to listen to story and it was to clear up some questions, and at that moment you where ready to some answers apart from that the game gave you story just like James said it was given to you in the original Bioshock. So in the end it story help me stay interested and keep going without noticing the repetition thanks to the fact that not only it was a good story but it was well implemented.

  • beedle246 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Don't be Cody Be Haggar

    1 year ago

    The 2003 TMNT series was pretty good, not as good as the 80's one but still pretty damn good.

    • bacondevil FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      The 2003 series was nice because Peter Laird had involvement with it, was a little more true to the original and actually included Utroms. If you haven't seen it you should watch the Turtles Forever movie that ended the 2003 series - we brought back the 80s turtles + characters as well as threw in the darker comic book turtles as well.

  • beedle246 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Don't be Cody Be Haggar

    1 year ago

    Assault on Arkham is a pretty good Suicide Squad representation.

  • Crumpington FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Just curious, why isn't Dude Soup available for sponsors earlier? I thought the rules were, that sponsors could see videos 24 hours earlier.

    • MidnightDylan

      1 year ago

      I think its not out yet for sponsors because this episode is sponsored by Loot Crate. Unsure though.

    • chespinsprouts Creator of #RTAce

      1 year ago

      @MidnightDylan: The majority of their podcasts are sponsored, so being sponsored but Lootcrate has nothing to do with jt


      @Crumpington: It's not technically a rule for early release, it's more so a little extra bonus for being a sponsor

    • Balarush FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kneel.

      1 year ago

      No, it's a rule. But there have been numerous technical issues with the site for a while, so it might not be up early sometimes.

    • sirlarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Typically sponsor videos have 24-hour window, but that's not possible for the podcast since we record it less than 24 hours before it goes live. Also, and this is a weird hiccup, but the feed is timed to the sponsor release, so if we published ASAP the audio feeds would go out early for everyone.


      We DO stream it live for sponsors, starting at 9:30 AM PST every Tuesday. Still, the situation is not ideal. I'll see if we can change the backend to get it live for Sponsors earlier.

    • Crumpington FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I get it. I was just curious because sometimes I miss the livestream and I see it's uploaded on the site, but it's not available. It's not really that big a deal either way, I'm just impatient.