NO MORE GAMING ON YOUTUBE? - Dude Soup Podcast #136

Dude Soup: NO MORE GAMING ON YOUTUBE? - Dude Soup Podcast #136

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Today the boys talk about YouTube's "Ad-pocolypse 2" and it's effects on content creators, as well as:
11:15 - The future of YouTube as platform for adult-oriented content
30:10 - What Makes us Hard, aka What We Watched on TV This Weekend
42:00 - Star Wars trash: Holiday Special and 2 Ewok movies
52:00 - Issues with creators moving to other platforms
1:01:45 - Hard Nettin'


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  • notagamergirl FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    I agree with Lawrence about how Youtube should've marketed Youtube Red. Literally right before I watched this podcast I signed up for the free trial period of Youtube Red just so I could look at content during my commute to school (which is a great for those looking to save on data usage). Marketing exclusive Youtube content from creators who already have so much free content to give didn't really appeal to me. 

  • theFineTunedM

    2 months ago

    Youtube Red is not available in many regions which is why it might have not gained the momentum it needed. I'm from India and even though we have Google Music, we don't have Youtube Red. Similarly, we have Amazon Prime, but we can't subscribe to Twitch Prime. 


    What I mean by this is that I consume lots of videos in Youtube, Twitch and I really want to support content creators like Funhaus. But, there is no mechanism in place to do so. Hell even Roosterteeth first membership is region locked.


    Hence I think catering to more regions might AT LEAST stream line the revenue for these content creators.

  • stjimmyskater FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Good to know I'm now watching videos starring the guy who picked out the softcore porn that I would watch as a budding 12 year old on G4 with my volume turned way the fuck down.

    • lootsorrow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      and now watching that same man is all the softcore porn you'll ever need.



      maybe I'm projecting.

  • Lethoreal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    This is late, and I'm assuming it's too late now unfortunately buuuuuut. 

    Save your time and your brain cells.  Don't waste your time on the Death Note movie.  It's hot garbage.

  • WarWizardM

    2 months ago

    Some time around after Joel's departure, I've drifted away from funhaus, but from time to time youtube recommends me watching one of their videos, this one was one such ocassion, and it was a good recommendation.


    There are a lot of miscommunication and misunderstanding in this whole adpocalypse ordeal, a lot of pointing fingers and none of taking responsibility, by none of the parts involved, which include: content creators, youtube, google, advertisers, traditional media, and the audience. Everyone here need to start talking to each other more, everyone is to blame for this.


    First, content creators. Stop reacting as everything that google/youtube is doing is new, as if they just come the day before with that idea that's now killing your channel, even if it's new to you, this new features and policies have been around for a while. Content guidelines have been posted for over a year at least, long before the adpocalypse. AI based content policing have also been on beta for over a year, if they're rolling it out they're probably pretty confident the AI is accurate enough, based on the experiments done by the content creators, it looks like it is.


    Second, start talking with advertisers, with online advertisement agencies specifically. The main reason why revenue has fallen for content creators is because advertisers have become more involved in policing where ads are shown in youtube since the WSJ article. Blacklisting entire topics in youtube have become common practices among advertisers.


    Third, the audience. Right now there's kinda an addict/enabler relationship between creators and their audience. There's too much obsession with views and subscribers, channels keep doing things to get placed in trending videos that are actually not that beneficial in the long run, and the audience keeps feeding into that unhealthy obsession.


    Creators should care more about the ad view rate, because they are performing poorly in that regard and that's why you get less ad prints. The ad serving system is working as intended, it's the channel's audience that are failing. Pewdiepie might have been the biggest rockstar youtube had but he hasn't been the money making machine everyone thinks he is, at least not from youtube's point of view. It's not youtube who's starving him out, it's his audience.


    Finally, both traditional media and a large part of the youtube viewership demographics fail to understand how advertisement works on a digital medium like this one, and this is making everything more complicated. There are a lot of pieces at work here, a lot of algorithms, many systems, most of which work independent of one another, that make up the youtube experience. Trying to understand youtube as an individual is the error here, it's more like an ecosystem, a very complex group of many entities working both in cooperation and in competition with each other. And the philosophy behind all of it is completely different to what people usually thinks advertisement should be, but actually works better than traditional advertisement.


    In hindsight, this whole thing might have been avoided if the youtube heroes program had not been met with such negative reaction, it wasn't perfect, it wasn't well communicated, but it was a step towards something we still need to happen. So swallow your pride, take your part of the blame, and start working with everyone else towards a solution... or be stubborn, stay the same, fight it out, and watch it slowly die.

  • YoAdrian FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    On Youtube Red, I got it for free when I purchased a Google Music subscription. Just as expensive as similar music streaming services and I've been pretty satisfied with it's library and function and all that. Youtube Red was just an awesome bonus.

  • ladybug245 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I purchased YouTube Red and Roosterteeth First just to help Funhaus. That's the least I can do for the great content. 

  • GarthFedora FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Lovely podcast guys! I like some quiet game audio for the podcast.  

  • MikesumusPrime FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Wow, really good podcast this week. The topic was very entertaining, and I enjoyed everyone's views about YouTube and it's future! Keep up the good work guys. 


    P.S. Missed Elyse. Hope she's feeling better.  

  • RJM639 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Episode 6 of  GOT was fun while I was watching it, but afterwards when I was thinking about it I realised how stupid it was. There just so much garbage writing in that episode, nothing makes a fucking lick of sense.

  • WardedJam FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I would easily pay for YouTube Red if it was available in the UK

  • yuoling FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I like having no game audio personally. Nice discussion of youtube ads this week!

  • NickZalis FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    As a struggling Youtuber I've found this recent ad-pocalapse perplexing.  I haven't gotten hit by any of the de-monitization things this time.  But to me that doesn't make sense, I have swears in titles of some of my videos, I swear an above average amount in my videos as well.  So whatever algorithm this is, it seems to only affect the thumbnails or maybe bigger channels.  

    https://imgur.com/a/0yHdB My videos have been fine for monetization despite graphic video titles like  these.

    The only thing I can think of, is that theres a second algorithm that flags potential "NSFW" channels before it starts flagging videos.  

    The reason I say this is because my channel started off as playing mostly Digimon games.  then I branched into RPGs, then whatever I feel like.  But I almost wonder if I've been untouched because most of my popular videos are for harmless Digimon games.  Just trying to make sense of it.

    I should mention though that I was hit by the first Ad-pocalapse a few months ago nad my ad revenue has been down by about 2/3 since then.  so whatever this new thing is, it might be calculated separate from that.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtpGjfsvK0OpkEeprnx6lFA - My channel if anyone can find something that sets it apart from other flagged videos

  • Drubadubdub FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Wibren

    2 months ago

    I'd like to pay for youtube red, but in Belgium it's just not available. sucks

  • Impish

    2 months ago

    where has the set gone?

    • _GEARSTICK_ FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      They can't afford it now because of the demonetizations

  • Omega2k3 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Come on, stop complaining. All you need to do is upload an unlisted video, get flagged, wait a week, request the review, wait for the manual review, and then list the video. Simple fix.

    • kulapik FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      You can't request review until the video has a thousand views.

  • berwhale FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I've hated this season of GoT more than any other before it. It's now just dumb hollywood action to the bullshit degree. None of the subtly of the first 3 seasons, no character development, bad acting and what feels to me, no genuine stakes. *Spoiler* I knew one of her dragons would die, not because it was hinted about earlier through some slight whispering of Bran or something, maybe a Machiavellian subplot where Varys or Little Finger try to kill a dragon because they need to ground Dany more. No, I knew a dragon would die, because it's expected of the hollywood story, to add some form of faux threat. It's just bad writing that we never got in the first 3 seasons and it's honestly just sad.


    I realized it's no longer made for fans of the books, but just made for the mass audiences. But it doesn't stop me from feeling let down and sad that they would just abandon good storytelling in favour of "Awww yeah it's SOOO AWESOME when the dragon like blows stuff up yeah! I love how Arya is soooo badass and nothing she does has any consequences and she changes personalities every five seconds! Omg Team Dany slay queen yaaas!!" 


    It's just sad. Personally now I'm rooting for the Night King to win. Or Euron.

  • Micht FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I personally prefer no game audio, it just makes the podcast sound a bit cleaner especially when you're just listening to it without the accompanying video.


    Also, while it truly sucks for you guys with regards to the YouTube monetization stuff, for someone like myself who isn't involved with content creation at all and probably wouldn't hear about this otherwise, it's incredibly interesting to learn more about the business side of a channel. Thank you for being so open about that side of things! Wish I could do more to support you but as a Canadian my options are limited... even buying merch from the RT store costs a pretty penny with shipping and currency conversion :(

  • AD04RT FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I like how this episode was run in terms of audio. Game audio is great if you're  actually watching the pod cast so you sorta know whats going on or if you're interested in the game. But, if you want to watch the game play, it's my opinion that you should probably go watch a game play video where it's the focal point. That way you get the best viewing experience on that game. My personal preference is no game audio as I mainly listen to the video while working, I listen to it for you guys and not for the game that you're playing on any given episode.

    Regardless of what you choose to do, I'll tune in.

  • BiggyBonez FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    i miss the podcast set 

  • Nolan11 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Seriously, why is the mp3 download for dude soup always delayed by 24 hours from the RT First release? The RT Podcast is broadcasted after Dude Soup, video is up for first members around the same time, but they get the audio download right away.

    • sirlarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      It's timed with the podcast's launch on YouTube. That was the guidance I received from Rooster Teeth, but that was some years ago. Maybe it's time to revisit the rollout of the podcast. I don't think the current programming director cares much about when the audio feed goes up.

  • Alex_T FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I preferred this week's show without the game audio. Also, when does the Overwatch poster go on sale? I didn't see it in the store and would love to buy it. 

  • Suzuki7Seas FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Bruce should watch Berserk(1997).

    • RJM639 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      I think he has. Pretty sure he mentioned it in the small list of anime he's watched.

  • Javacado FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I prefer no game audio. To me Dude soup is a platform to hear your guys thoughts on all manner of topics not just video games. Unlike your gameplay videos I feel that in dude soup the game in the corner is a more minor aspect. 

  • Dr_Wondertainment FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Bring him home

    2 months ago

    I could listen to Bruce talking about Game of Thrones for hours.


    EVERY GOD DAMN EPISODE THERE'S GIANT FUCKING DRAGONS FLYIN AROUND SHOOTING FIRE AT ALL KINDS OF SHIT IT'S AWESOME


    Also I pay for Google Play Music every month, but apparently Red still doesn't exist for Canadians, so I choose to just pay for a First subscription once a year instead. Which is kind of fucking annoying considering I'd rather my money go towards you guys than Google, but it also makes me seriously grateful that this exists, and that you all have a fairly solid safety net.

  • Kevin_01 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RT Sponsor

    2 months ago

    Youtube Red STILL not available in Canada.


    Like, are you kidding me?! Canada is basically the US, but colder.

  • CoreyRo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold I came for the Scrobbles

    2 months ago

    YouTube actually takes 30% of superchat

  • shmanel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I've got a Hotmail account too Bruce!  Its been gathering junk mail and throwaway accounts since high school, and has only been hacked twice!

  • Tekandosii FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    What's truly sad is that Fox can get advertisers for its entertainment (or whatever the supreme court decision ruling called it, which whatever it was wasn't "news") even though they spew lies, hate speech, bigotry, etc. appealing to the lowest common denominator playing off of ignorance. It took Bill O'Reilly being outed for sexual harassment for advertisers to pull out, they didn't care about the content no matter how incorrect or idiotic it may be, but what they did care about was alienating 50.8% of the US population. FunHaus is the reason I have a First membership, and my understanding was as a Youtube Red subscriber I still earn you some revenue when I watch your videos on there. I'll buy a shirt if that helps as you've hinted to, but that's one time purchase; not something that can sustain you all. What can we do as your followers/fans to keep Roosterteeth/FunHaus alive and well? 

  • theladi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold lah-dee-dah

    2 months ago

    As far as game audio goes, I prefer it to not be heard because it can get distracting.

    I do have a little anime suggestion for y'all though, it's called 91 Days (11-12 episodes long) and it is an amazing mobster series that is pretty grounded in reality.

  • WardedJam FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Now THIS is my favourite kind of Dude Soup episode - well produced, focused conversation, less constant distraction from the game, witty banter. Excellent job Lawrence and the boys :)

  • klonetuul FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I had really hoped they would start with a world wide launch of youtube red, but i still haven't gotten it here in denmark. Seemed like the best way to continue supporting youtubers and avoid ads.

  • Madpup70 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    So a solution that I have heard of that other Youtubers are using to help with their ad revenue is they are uploading videos to their channel and keeping them set to private for at least 3 days. Even though the videos are set to private, they still go through this algorithm and they get either oked for ads or they get ads pulled. Creators then go through a human at Youtube to see if their video has been unfairly/see what they can do to get ads put back on, then once they get the thumbs up they post their video to public. 

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      Didn't they mention that videos need to reach 1000 views before ad-friendliness can be reviewed?

  • WickedSeven FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold TheWickedZach

    2 months ago

    Notice a lot of horror and true crime youtubers heading to Twitch.

  • jez2932 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    In terms of Youtube red, many people don't really consider the fact that it's only available in 5 countries, with, as far as I can see, no plans to expand, so a huge number of Youtube users have no way of getting it. Additionally, even if you purchased it in a country that you can use it, but then go to a country in which you can't, almost all of its functionality is removed.

  • mortuj FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    can we get a mount tryhard shirt please 

    • Dr_Wondertainment FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Bring him home

      2 months ago

      No.

  • Jordy. FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Jordy

    2 months ago

    My two cents on the game audio is to only have background music. A lot of games have individual sliders for sound effects and voice volume. If you turn those down I won't get the feeling I just missed something and have to go back when I hear a sound effect. Maybe also have that audio running at the start of the show to let people know that the audio is working. Could even be fun to try and recognise the audio while the loading screen plays. 

  • Kr1sp FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Sonic fans really not used to people shitting on their game?

  • Yadomi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    The guys all seemed like they were in really good/positive moods while filming this. Was a great podcast.

  • DontTellPike FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Test Subject

    2 months ago

    What's with the 5 minutes of opening silence? been like that for the past couple.

  • savageanimalidiot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    crikey! Single Bruce talks a lot more about the ladiez

    • memeboymatt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      Bruce is single? Where'd you here this?? I thought he was in a long term relationship w/ a Rooster Teeth employee :( 

    • savageanimalidiot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      I read it on Reddit, somebody said Bethany had confirmed it (briefly) in a recent podcast :( 

  • Queeblo Queeblo McQueebloface

    2 months ago

    I imagine the youtube algorithm in Dalek voice repeating "De-monetize, de-monetize". 

  • CashBanks FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Why isn't YouTube communicating better about this? Why haven't they released a statement, or some kind of acknowledgement that something is seriously wrong with their algorithm and entire monetisation strategy.

    • Axiom_Bias

      2 months ago

      because they are youtube and they have never done that 

    • Dr_Wondertainment FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Bring him home

      2 months ago

      Because they probably don't give a shit.

  • savageanimalidiot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    i joined First for you boys! have my money and live! thrive!

  • BrandonK FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Funnier in editing.

    2 months ago

    MAN! I'm gonna kick myself if YouTube goes down and people stop using it, because I could have set up the next big video hosting platform . Burnie Burns has told the story quite a times on the RT podcast about the most popular thing going away. He's said something to the effect of: "Somewhere out there, Tila Tequila still has one million MySpace followers" and "If we had wanted to be the biggest thing back in the day we would have wanted to be linked to on Fark and been on the front page of Digg." And as far as I remember, he even speculated as to what would be the next thing after entities like YouTube and Reddit. The point he was making was that, eventually, the internet transitions. And YouTube fucking up is no different. So, the reason I kick myself: I've listened to the RT Podcast for long enough that I could have been ahead of the trend, so I should have found someone to help me build the "next video hosting platform".

  • bluesmurph FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    Complaining about the people annoyed by this season of GoT is like arguing with people that disliked the star wars prequels because YOU enjoyed the politics and trade negotiations. Its a valid opinion but its not what most fans have come to love about the series, hence the hate. Most people actually enjoy the build up and well thought out characters/plotlines. When you try to speed things up you squish together plot points and leave out context so characters are bouncing around making rash decisions seemingly without reason. Not to mention all your action and glitz has provided much more plot armor for everyone. There used to be a time in the series when slipping up in a world that is trying to kill you would get you killed.

    • Antimattergizmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      I've eased my frustration with two axioms. One is old; the ability to seperate my enjoyment of the story as a book series and the story as a TV series, as I had to with some of the more agregious problems with LotR. The other is treating these post book seasons as the back cover synopsis, a shakedown of what to expect in the show (most of it was already predicted years ago anyhow) while being able to anticipate the more fleshed out version if it ever comes. I feel for both the fans that just want to discuss the good points and ignore glaring plot holes for the sake of intertainment as much as the critics that find the way another three deus ex machinas are not what they loved the show for in the first place. 

    • rhn94 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      we get it, you're much more "cultured" and everyone who doesn't shit on it is a pleb; the holier than thou attitude the worst of these

  • b43rCh1 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    YouTube Red is still only available in 5 countries around the world. I would get it if I could.

  • Granfaloon FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    http://myimmortalrehost.webs.com/chapters122.htm
    Hard nett'n

  • JCS FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    I like this format, where you guys play a game and talk about different topics. And it seems it is way easier to set it up so that means fewer technical problems.

    • Axiom_Bias

      2 months ago

      its the old school way

    • JCS FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      I know

  • Sulcan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 months ago

    So if they are going to stop trying to appeal to broader audiences does that mean they are going to stop these click bait titles and news podcasts?

    • ADG12311990 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Meatbag

      2 months ago

      No.