THE CONSEQUENCES OF RACIAL SLURS? - Dude Soup Podcast #139

Dude Soup: THE CONSEQUENCES OF RACIAL SLURS? - Dude Soup Podcast #139

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Ugh boy. Please watch the entire episode before you break out your quill and start penning your angry missives. This week we tackle the very sensitive subject of racial insensitivity as well as:
21:40 - DMCA takedown by Campo Santo.
34:30 - A light-hearted trip to Lucasfilm with Adam and Bruce.
50:15 - Hard Nettin'.


SOURCES: 
PewDiePie's bad words:
>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41222593
https://www.engadget.com/2017/09/11/pewdiepie-outburst/
DMCA Takedown Legal?
>http://www.firewatchgame.com/about/#streaming

HARD NETTIN':
Jam2Go
>https://www.youtube.com/user/TheJam2go
Alliance of Universes
>https://budcharles.deviantart.com/art/Alliance-of-Universes-UPDATED-700071270


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  • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    5 days ago

    @ktpage337 

    the comment thread seems broken, so leaving my response here.


    No. I chose my words correctly. White people cannot experience racism against them. Racism is an institution that explicitly places white people above poc. White people benefit from structural racism. Racism is that I can walk down the street and not have to worry about a cop pulling over to talk to me because of my skin colour, but if I'm walking with a couple black friends they do. It means that I won't get overlooked for a callback on an interview just because the name on my resume isn't "ethnic". Racism is not synonymous with prejudice. A generalization like "all white people are nazis" is dumb and incorrect, but it is not racist, it's prejudiced. Racism is about denying humanity and status and power to entire groups of people because of their skin colour, and I've never experienced that because of mine.

    • ktpage337 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 days ago

      No, you are severely misinformed. That's not how racism works at all.


      Racism - "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."


      Notice how the definition has nothing at all to do with a required institutional aspect? That's because there is a difference between INSTITUTIONAL RACISM, and PERSONAL RACISM.


      One is when there IS an element of institution, through laws, statutes and usually government aspects.

      PERSONAL racism, can be experienced by literally anyone; not just black people or minorities (by US standards of "minority".


      The argument that RACISM, in general, requires an institutional element is flat out FALSE; period.


      I highly suggest you watch this video, which helps explain the fallacy of claiming black people can not be racist, or that white people can not experience racism; which again, is flat out wrong and a bastardization of the long establishment definition of RACISM.



    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 days ago

      Are you really going to split hairs over semantics? What I call prejudice you call personal racism. What we're discussing is not that. Can you think of literally one word used against a white person that carries the same weight of power and oppression as the one this is about? Using the same word to describe two vastly nonequivalent things as institutional racism and personal prejudice really only serves to undermine and downplay how one effects nearly every aspect of some people's lives, while the other effects singular interactions you can have with individuals. There needs to be a distinction, and I was taught to never use such a loaded word as racism in place of only prejudice. Maybe I'll be more vigilant about stating institutional, but I mean these things implicitly whenever I speak of them in this context. I'd never compare the institutional racism poc do suffer to the personal prejudice white people can suffer. I'm real sorry if someone told you they hated you because you were white, but you're not winning me over with your irrelevant argument. I use the terms I use very deliberately, based on years of studying these issues in university, not from youtube videos.

    • ktpage337 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 days ago

         >Are you really going to split hairs over semantics? 


      This is NOT simply a case of semantics. This is literally people changing the definition of the word "Racist" to fit their agenda. They're claiming the definition of Racism is that it can ONLY exist, when there is an institutional aspect to it. Which is FLATOUT wrong. I'm sorry you've been mislead, but your definition is wrong. Did you even watch the video?


         >What I call prejudice you call personal racism. What we're discussing is not that.


      It's not about what you or I call it, it's Racism, plain and simple. People have just pushed the false narrative that racism can only exist with institutional aspects; which is false because that is what is called INSTITUTIONAL RACISM.


         >Can you think of literally one word used against a white person that carries the same weight of power and oppression as the one this is about?


      Cracker, Honkie, White boy, Whitie, Redneck, Hillbilly, Trailer Trash, Hick, Good Ol' Boy.


      Growing up in the South, I've literally been called all of those things by Black people, Mexican people and many other races. So you're really trying to say that just because I am white and they were not, they were not being Racist?...


         >Using the same word to describe two vastly nonequivalent things as institutional racism and personal prejudice really only serves to undermine and downplay how one effects nearly every aspect of some people's lives, while the other effects singular interactions you can have with individuals.


      You are not using one word, "RACISM", to describe both things. The foundation is the word itself which means:


      Racism - "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."


      The difference comes in when there IS anInstitutional aspect to it, (such as Jim Crow or other racist laws), THEN it becomes INSTITUTIONAL RACISM; an addition to the original term. These are not new words or ways of defining these things; they have literally been in dictionaries for a very, very long time. It is only a recent phenomenon in society to try and cut off the original definition of RACISM, and claim it can only exist when there is an institutional aspect; and like I have proven, that is simply NOT the case.


         >There needs to be a distinction, and I was taught to never use such a loaded word as racism in place of only prejudice.


      That's the point; the distinction is already there. Racism; then Institutional Racism when it has those aspects to it. The root definition is still there, that anyone is capable of being a Racist.


         >Maybe I'll be more vigilant about stating institutional, but I mean these things implicitly whenever I speak of them in this context.


      That's the whole argument. It's not a matter of semantics; it's people trying to redefine a word simply because some people don't like when PoC's are referred to as Racists. Pretty much what it boils down to.


         >I'd never compare the institutional racism poc do suffer to the personal prejudice white people can suffer.


      It's not personal prejudice, it's racism against white people. Again, racism does not require institutional aspects..


         >I'm real sorry if someone told you they hated you because you were white, but you're not winning me over with your irrelevant argument.


      It's not irrelevant. Those people were being Racist towards me, according to the ACTUAL definition.


      Racism - "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."


         >I use the terms I use very deliberately, based on years of studying these issues in                                  university, not from youtube videos.


      That is apart of the problem; the university system have turned into echo chambers, where non-established and unrecognized arguments are only being discussed between the same people. You end up with situations just like this; people trying to redefine language, meaning and reasoning simply to fit their political or biased agendas.


      Also, saying you went to college isn't an adequate defense in any argument. I know many people who went to college and are quite ignorant in numerous subjects.

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 days ago

      All those words you list are not even close to what the n-word is. Those words do not tie in with the removal of your humanity, the historically recent institutionally sanctioned removal of your humanity, the sentiment that many people still hold. You've been called redneck or hillbilly, etc. I have relatives who have been called those too, by other white people. Those are insults like any other, class based for sure, but certainly not slurs to reduce you to a skin colour deemed lesser than human, to reduce you to property or farm equipment. I would argue that black people using it or "cracker" and the like as an insult is symptomatic and reactionary of the racism they suffer at the hands of white supremacists. You said you grew up in the south. It's not long ago that they were expected to call you master, and there's still a large portion of white people especially in the south that want to fly the confederate flag and have statues to slavers and broadcast their clear beliefs that poc are beneath them. Did the black folks who called you these things have any power over you? Perhaps you could look and see if they are justified in their anger, and accept that it was misdirected at you if you were not actually contributing to their oppression yourself.


      But you're right, southern white guy on the internet. You live outside an echo chamber and definitely don't cherry pick information to suit your own agenda and confirmation bias, and everyone who doesn't act as though you, a white man in America, need to be looked at as an oppressed minority who suffers the same as poc lives in an echo chamber. Their lives in and out of academia are entirely misinformed and ignorant, because you are right: [insert youtube video here made by a channel that is all about being contrary for the sake of being contrary]. Would you read several peer reviewed essays and studies on the topic if I sent them to you? I'm not going to, but it's the same thing. You know my stance, and I know yours. If you cannot concede that being called a hillbilly or white boy or cracker is a false equivalency to the violence and weight and history of the n-word, then we're really at an impasse.


      If you do that then you have to acknowledge that society and these issues are more nuanced than a one-sentence dictionary definition. Which is why we need many tools to navigate context, not only Miriam-Webster but also sociology. It's called improvement. Let's pretend for a moment that you're right, and meanings of words haven't changed and evolved with every other change in human history until only very recently. That being a scholar and therefore a social class above others didn't create the impetus to have those definitions suit your class and interests only. But...I think we can both agree that is not true. The only difference in these things in recent history is that this is becoming not so limited to one power class. Do you know what else only changed very recently? That it's not cool to own another human being. That certain people now have the status of person in North America, that they may vote, etc... Would you say that should've stayed the same? To use one blanket term to define each of these things is oversimplified, (misinformed and and ignorant - you like those words!), and ultimately focuses on the perceived mistreatment of those at the top of the power structure by those whom they benefit from being beneath them - serves to weaken and downplay the importance of their wrongdoings by pointing fingers elsewhere as though the power is spread elsewhere as well - and doesn't help resolving the big glaring problem with that inequality. Which is what works perfectly for keeping white supremacy strong. It's a very popular strawman, and you're not the first white guy I've heard it from.

    • ktpage337 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 days ago

      @fullofwish There's really no point discussing this topic with you. Not only are you having an entirely different discussion than me, you're being insanely rude and abhorrent.


      You are also claiming and assuming so many things about me as a person; it's insane and frankly shocking. Way to be prejudiced.

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 days ago

      @ktpage337 I do agree that we're both talking about different things, but I suppose that's because we think of different things as deserving of being talked about. I have attempted to follow along with your reasoning, and if you learned much of (un-whitewashed) Canadian history as I have of American I think you'd find we unfortunately have way more in common in our countries than differences in these things. The n-word has the same history here as it does there. I think it's good we've had this discussion, avoid that whole "echo chamber" and all.


      I'm legitimately saying this without any patronizing tone (hard to convey some times) but I am sorry if you have been hurt by words in the past, and I acknowledge we both grew up in vastly different climates which is why the contextual value of words aren't the same to each of us. I've never experienced disdain or hate first hand from any black person I've met, but I have also always lived in a relatively more liberal place where their treatment is arguably better and white supremacy is not something that gets a pass under a makeover of "alt-right" or "nationalist". That doesn't mean I'm ignorant of how it is different elsewhere. With that in mind I do have to remember not to be flippant with other people's painful experiences, and I guess I allowed how you were telling me not what you think but rather what I should think, calling me misinformed and so on, to get the best of me. No harm intended, even if I was rude. I get a bit taunt-y when I feel like I'm being talked down to. I hope we can both try to be a bit more empathetic of others in these things, and not make so many assumptions.

    • ktpage337 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 days ago

      @fullofwish


      >I do agree that we're both talking about different things, but I suppose that's because we think of different things as deserving of being talked about.


      If you realized I we were talking about to separate things, why were you acting as though I was claiming a whole bunch of things I never even mentioned? I can see you apologized, but please try to not jump to conclusions in the future.


      >I guess I allowed how you were telling me not what you think but rather what I should think, calling me misinformed and so on, to get the best of me.


      I'm sorry if my tone came off as condescending, but I was just trying to point out the misconception of the definition of racism by many people; simply that its root does not require institutional aspects, and in fact anyone, anywhere, can be a racist. Also I never claimed to downplay the actual historical atrocities African Americans suffered in the past, or the residual vestiges that exist today; so not sure why you assumed I was. I'm assuming you've had conversations with much less reasonable individuals, or just straight trolls, in the past considering the topics you brought up.

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 days ago

      @ktpage337 You'd be right there. A lot of the words you used are the ones people who don't really want these things talked about use do to dismiss conversations, like the term echo chamber, or implying that established concepts should not and cannot be changed or challenged. (Whether you meant it that way or not.) So sometimes making the distinction between someone who actually wants to share ideas and someone who just wants to tell you you're wrong and to shut up is hard. Even though I haven't been very good at getting my point across articulately or without salt, I was still trying to have a conversation. Agree to disagree on some points, but thank you for coming back with such a level response. It's really appreciated.

    • ktpage337 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 days ago

      @fullofwish


      >Agree to disagree on some points, but thank you for coming back with such a level response. It's really appreciated.


      Agreed

  • SeronWhite FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 days ago

    He never wanted to be a rule model, I doubt he even wanted this much fame. He started Livestreaming and doing videos, probably for the joy of it and if something came of it, then so be it. Do I think he is raciest? I don't know the man well enough to judge, however my family, at family events use terms like that. Are they raciest, no. The era they grew up in was different.  If I was streaming and used a word like that, no one would probably care, they only care because of how famous he is now for his videos.


    Also, if you guys need a low level Overwatch account, mine should be in the low 20s. I don't play as much as I should and I trust you guys not to steal my account or what ever. Quick question too, where on the Rooster Teeth website can I find those videos anyway?

  • Lurker-6 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Can some one make a super cut of all the racist and misogynistic jokes James has made and edit this so they are defending him. Bones if you can find the dude soup episode that Adam make the joke about not braking there arms patting themselves on the back about how progress they are.

  • Lethoreal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    I feel like the issue with PDP yelling the N-word is less about him "being a racist", and more about the act itself raising questions about his character. 

    To be short and frank, as a person in the position that he's in, that he is FULLY AWARE that he is in, it is colossally irresponsible for him to yell out the N-word.  Regardless of circumstance.  

    As I'm seeing in a few of the comments here, It's less that people think he's a racist, and more the reaction of "Wow, did you really just yell out the N-word as a reactionary thing..?"

    PDP is a grown adult who has been working in media for a living for quite a while now, in a HUGE way.  He knows his (absurdly large) audience.  On the topic of the culture of the place that he lives - Living in a place where saying certain things is more "culturally normal" or even regarded as non-offensive is not a valid excuse for saying something that is, more or less globally, known as extremely offensive, to a global audience.  He knew it when he said it, when it slipped out of his mouth and you can see the reaction on his face when "I just fucked up" clicks.  It happened immediately after he said it.

    Was it an accident that he said it in the "heat of the moment"? Maybe, sure, why not.  That being said, it doesn't matter.  The question on tons of people's minds is "Sure, you were upset, but of all the things you could have 'insulted' a person with, why was N____R even in that list of potential insults?"  

    If you're capable of using the N-word in a reactionary fashion as an insult to someone, just because you are upset, it is *probably* likely that you use it in a derogatory fashion on a more regular basis than just in rage-induced passion moments. 


    This all being said - there is at least some merit in the fact that he said it, IMMEDIATELY recognized that it was a stupid thing to say, and attempted to backpedal.  A lot better than just "owning it" and pretending like it was OK.

  • gilly88 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    I think it's kinda silly that PDP yells the N word when he dies in a video game, I don't think he is a racist in anyway but come on, yelling the N word when you die is something a 14 year old teenager does not a grown adult, especially when that adult is also being watched by millions of people   

  • WickedSeven FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold TheWickedZach

    1 week ago

    More Jon.

  • theslayboybunny

    1 week ago

    Not picking a side when it comes to racism is a privilege, and it's absolutely not enough to only be not racist yourselves- it's very important to be anti-racist as well. 

  • FastRefleksX FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    There's a lot of long comments here, so I guess I'll keep mine somewhat short.

    I live in Norway (which, say what you will, is pretty much the same as Sweden in most ways) and I can absolutely believe that growing up in Sweden would make you not ever really get the magnitude of the n-word into your head. I, for one, have no friends of african descent, and though I try to refrain from using the n-word myself, almost all of my friends could drop it without thinking twice, which really goes for myself too. It carries absolutely no weight or history, and that's now. As we all know, everything is more racist the further back in time you go.

    Anyway, I'm absolutely certain he's not a racist, he just looks a lot worse to everyone that was raised differently.

    • Lethoreal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      You can read my full comment for more depth, but to try to be brief, while it may not carry a lot of weight in that area, he is not broadcasting or performing for ONLY that area, and he is fully aware of that.  He is performing for a global audience, and it's his own responsibility to be aware of his audiences sensibility.

      #Excuses.

    • FastRefleksX FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 days ago

      Yeah, it doesn't excuse him, since he should absolutely know better. It's just a potential explanation as to how it slipped out so haphazardly.

  • syteless FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Adam is right, it might be the "fuck me" eyes.

  • Phillthy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Woah... Bruce pushed so hard to fuck over JAM2GO! :'(

  • Kabyk FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    ...Except they can't. Many people use DMCA takedowns as temporary halts until they can get the real takedown authorized. I'm not a fan of PDP, but this is simply a moral crusade which won't stand up under PDP's Fair Use rights when the takedown actually goes through legal review. Even PUBG would have a difficult time keeping the DMCA in place, and it's their game that PDP said his disgraceful thing over. Firewatch is not related enough for this to hold water.

    And yes, for Copyright, it's called the "Mickey Mouse Protection Act" -- every time Mickey Mouse is about to hit public domain, the Copyright Act miraculously becomes a hot button issue for the gov't and usually gets extended. It's become unrealistic but won't end any time soon.

    • gilly88 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      I believe you are missing the point, IP owners have every right to take down a video. As lets players they are always taking the risk that at any point the IP owners can just turn around and take it down, people like to scream "fair use" when they don't seem to know what that really means 


  • CapriCornetto FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Amy

    1 week ago

    I'm surprised and have to disagree about the whole N-word being cool in the UK. Though I do hear the word it is usually said by poc around school- or by other people I tend to avoid for other reasons. I don't necessarily find the word offensive in the scene that I hear it and go on a witch hunt but I'm very uncomfortable hearing it, don't really want to know anyone who says it easily and would/have never said it myself.


    I don't want to burn Pewds at the stake like some people do at the moment but I am kind of shocked with how he said the word with no hesitation and he even laughed right after knowing how much he'd 'effed up. But it's like Bruce said, we don't know much about his life and if he grew up in a situation where that word was said like any other word without the weight it holds in other places. Other youtubers as well as other people in the media have also said this word, where're the pitchforks when that happens? 


    MSM lighting a fire under Pewds' butt might also just be for that reason- he is PEWDIEPIE, and they see easy money from that name (ie: what happened in earlier months with the WSJ) . 

  • vegcorndog FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    i guess my biggest issue with pewdiepie and large youtubers like him using the n word and being dismissive of hateful things they do, especially when they apologize later and "dont mean it," like seriously?? we live in the world where people like pewdiepie have had the internet since their early teens. pewdiepie can't say no one has ever told him "the n word was used to make black people feel 'less than' so can u please just scream some regular curse word" instead of a supercharged word that it guaranteed to not come across correctly, especially from a white dude lol

  • BluntObjekt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    This was my first time watching a Dude Soup podcast.  You had an entertaining discussion.  But, there weren't any definitive moments that stated  PewdiePie's a terrible person.  Or he's a saint.  And that's good.  Everyone had something to say about this kerfuffle.     I wish some of us as viewers would stop defending PewdiePie's flippant behavior.   Whether he is a world famous Youtuber or just a regular guy.   His behavior is a product of his thoughts.  All us are quick to jump down somebody's throat and convict them of wrongdoing, when we're just as prone to do the same.  We're not acting like the salt of the earth by flinging our emotions around with little to no care about whom we injure.  Whether we're gaming, spending time with family and even in the most casual of social settings.  .We each should hold ourselves accountable for our actions. I have yet to see people conduct themselves in the same manner in court, in the hospital waiting room, checkout line or at work with a What's up my n**g**?"  Or "Glad you made out surgery motherf**k**, Hey, way to go you piece of s*** "!  And it  happily met with open arms.   As if what we just heard from another's mouth wasn't dripping with offense or sarcasm.   Why are some people so eager to defend what happened in order to lessen the damage done?.  It we were the aggressor in this setting; it'd be better to keep both of our lips shut -   than to blatantly say we feel at that moment in time. and not take it to heart feeling those words used were justified.   Nor is going with the fault laden " Well my friend's black, white, or whatever, they're cool with me saying that.   Or those people say that all of the time."  But, you wouldn't catch me saying that, because I'm not like them."    What does that even mean?   


    Look, in the heat of the moment a good bit of the majority would rather choose to lash out, because we'd feel it would be necessary. Something like "You ruined my day, now I'm going to ruin yours!"  or "How do you like that you bastard?"  Even when I get cut off in traffic, the offender doesn't get a free pass to occupy my thoughts, because y'know what, I've got better things to do with my life.  There isn't enough time in the day to disrespect someone over something so trivial like a cheap death in a videogame, or incessant scumbag behavior loaded with racial epithets in general.   Why are we so quick to give these "celebrities" the benefit of a doubt, or even put them on a pedestal?   Whether or not they have all felt immediate guilt and apologize for what they said.  It doesn't dismiss the fact that we're all dealing with personal issues of some sort.   And it doesn't mitigate or eliminate the consequences.   We all have to live with the consequences of our actions.    I read somewhere that a friend betrayed is much harder to be won than a city.   


    Where does PewdiePie or anyone else for that matter get the go ahead to call a person out of their name.  And then quickly summarize it with "Ah, it's was only a joke"   That's more demoralizing to hear than the actual words that were used and their intention.  (No, I have not watched the PewdiePie video, if that's where your getting at)   They can say whatever they want.  But, guess what?  If I believe that my birth name is tied me to my identity.  The person on the opposite end of the conversation does not have the permission to call me otherwise.  No matter what part of the world they're from.  What sense does it make for me to drag a person down, by insulting them?  I'm no better than them.   I'm gradually learning that I don't have to meet their gaze with an angry attitude or even fire back with insults of my own.  I don't get satisfaction in bullying others.  Acting like a bully and being bullied is no laughing matter.  One's own silence, or conscious choice to not fire off a rebuttal laced with ridicule is more than enough of an retaliatory response to their crude behavior.  And since "Pobody's Nerfect"  I've also been accused of being the bully in the past.


      Either way, shooting your mouth off doesn't win the argument.  Both sides end up with deep cuts.    Foolish choices always result in someone losing big and paying the penalty.   What we as the viewers should to try to focus on is how to respond to this ever increasing abuse of language in the form of racial slurs.  It should send shockwaves down your spine to hear that a once esteemed person within the gaming community has once again submitted themselves to vitriolic, sophomoric demeaning behavior.  Perhaps, he merits scathing criticism above being viewed as a potential role model?   You can't diminish the power that words already have, however you can direct how much influence they will have. PewdiePie's audience is going to take what he said to heart.  It's been recorded, and whether he apologized and meant it.  He still has some maturing to do.   I'd be embarrassed for the other player on that stream because that wouldn't be the way i'd want to be remembered.   Someone's going to make money off of his behavior and that's rather depressing too,   CS (Campo Santo)  will choose legal precedent over the use of their I.P.  And this thing will run it's course.  Let it be known that I'd much rather hear the FunHaus crew talk about other gaming news instead of PewdiePie's latest buffoonery.   If we know better, than we ought to do better.  But, it's easier said than done, because nobody is perfect. 

    • Lethoreal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      I mean.. my comment was kinda long too but... 

      TL_DR dude.  :p

  • sakurastar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    I'm kind of surprised that Adam was saying he has friends in the UK that use the n word. I'm English and I think I've only ever heard someone use that word once in person, I won't go into detail but they were using it in an extremely derogatory way talking about immigrants after Brexit and I was shocked. It's definitely not an acceptable thing to say here, the same as the US and I would say most people would find it offensive but of course this is just my experience and I can't speak for everyone.

  • ozzyp FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    I don't really see why so many people freak out over a word its a word it only has this negative attachment because us the people give it that negative attachment we make it a race thing or a thing of hatred as it is it stands alone if no one made a big deal of people saying it the so called bad word would not be a bad word does this mean people saying the so called bad word are right no is it wrong to say it no words are monsters that we the masses feed stop feeding the monster by making a super big deal of it and it will die i know its not something that would go away over night but if its not a big deal then less and less people will use these words because they no longer have this power to get people to react in any manner but this is just my opinion and view point on it 

    • Lethoreal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      You can probably tell by the boatload of flamebaits you're getting, but I think people are probably freaking out more about your absolutely shit implementation of the English language.

      P.S. while you're getting reeducated in English, do yourself a favor and take some sociology classes, and history classes while you're at it.  You might come across as less ignorant.

  • Pixellated FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    Not sure about this week's Hard Nettin' - I feel like if a new candidate can be boiled down to 'laughing at autism' then it should just be tossed, else it's just looking through highschoolers' DeviantArt pages for these one-off weird creations rather than finding interesting bodies of work or communities.

  • Squedex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    Y'know, I've learnt something today. Just because, we, as the internet, might sometimes like to side with the Youtube/social media stars, just because we don't like the mainstream media or they might be "cool" or "hip", it doesn't give them a free pass. They still have a responsibility to act like civil human beings.


    I'll admit, I was first to jump on the "Oh, mainstream media demonising Pewds again" train, when I heard about this story, but after thinking about it, seeing his apology video, and watching this very sensible podcast on the issue, I've come to realise that Pewds does need to set an example, especially considering his main audience are probably kids.


    But then, that must suck a bit for Pewds because, like Adam said, I imagine it's hard being role model to such a massive audience. Constantly watching your tongue every second of every day, something unsavoury is bound to slip out. And when it does, we have to call him out on that. Especially in the context he used it. It was in no way a joke, and was used to insult the other person.


    However, like Adam says here and in his reddit post, it's not as black and white as "he said that, he's evil". We have to judge his character, on whether he is a good person. I personally think he is a good person, who just fucked up. We all do it. At some point in our lives we've all had that horrible thought of "ooh, maybe I shouldn't have said/done that". But that's a good feeling, that's the exact feeling we should get when we fuck up. Guilt. And the fact that Pewds got that feeling in his apology video ( I suppose he could've been lying, but he doesn't strike me as a liar) to me warrants forgiveness.


    I'm not excusing him here, I just don't think he is a bad person, I think he's a good person who just made a mistake, a big mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. A mistake that we are right to give him shit for, but ultimately, a mistake that we should forgive him for. But, anyway, just my thoughts on the matter. Good podcast dudes, really sensible way of talking about this, don't worry about the feedback too much, hopefully it's positive overall when this hits YT. Keep up the good work. :D

  • Guysbeefy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    I respect that American culture has, especially through the entertainment industry and English being a dominant world language due to international trade and the old British Empire, become somewhat of a "world culture". That said, as a native English speaker from outside the US, the way that the "n-word" is treated seems strange. All cultures, shockingly even white people, have been subject to all manner of horrors like slavery and genocide, yet America seems to demand holding this one word up on a pedestal. Not only is it aggravating to see the hypocrisy of arguments about why words like "spic" or "chink" or "cracker" are any different, it makes the shock value of that one word so much higher. 


    Personally, I believe that this makes the "n-word", with the possible addition of the "f-word" towards homosexuals, so much more ingrained in world culture because they're the almost the only words you just can't say. I hear "less offensive" racial slang, particularly towards whites, used in PG content while this other word, even in my country where there are essentially no African-Americans, remains off limits. I'm aware of the history behind it, but so too with a thousand other hurtful words and the status of that particular one just comes of as a bit of US self-importance, no offence.


    With this in mind Campo Santo's actions come off, to me, as more of a cash grab to capitalize on people's sense of social justice to gather publicity and sell products. It might have been different if PDP's actions had been in a Firewatch gameplay video, but I feel the dev's venomous language, particularly referring to the 27 year old Felix as a "child", betrays their intent as something more than just distancing themselves from someone who made a controversial remark.

  • gdepew11 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    John public domain used to take more like 50 years which gave the artist a healthy time to make a living and disney got it extended to a much longer time

  • BABBS FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    You had me at pdf on deviant art.

    • EpicDiehard FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      The fucking choo choo nazi universe

  • kelevra1324 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    idk why i thought there was a possibility you wouldn't have the most bullshit centrist non-opinion over this but

    • kelevra1324 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      the devil doesn't always need an advocate.

    • kelevra1324 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      y'all ever heard of a spine

  • TeamPhoenix FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    Pew isn't racist, he's just really dumb. Really REALLY dumb.

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      fo real

  • PretendArtemis FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Big Gay Hate Machine

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    I don't really know why everyone thinks that PDP needs defending. He's a 27-year-old man, not a toddler who called someone a stupid head. He messed up and needs to face consequences for his actions.


    Like, I've been the brunt of some pretty heavy abuse is videogames before. I've been frustrated. Never once did I think to use a slur to insult someone. Come on, you don't just casually drop a word like that unless you're comfortable with it.

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    Came for the interesting commentary, stayed for the Jon Smiff.

  • XWickerXMan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    I think back to when Louis CK used the n word during one of his shows. He contextualized it (essentially) by quoting Mark Twain and how everything that Mark Twain said wasn't always a good thing. And it should be noted that he used the "hard r". Later in the same show, he used it again, several times actually. Again, he contextualized it by re-enacting a conversation he had with several African Americans comedians he was working on a television show with for Cedric the Entertainer. I don't believe he got any flack for it, and the jokes went over well with the audience. The issue with Pewdiepie is that he has no context for his word choice. He was just angry and his go-to was one of the most heinous words in America's history. Bottom line: do I think Pewdiepie is racist? No. Can I excuse his actions because of cultural differences? No. He is intelligent enough and aware of many issues going on in the US due to his popularity and reach, and one of those issues is the growing racial tension due to African American deaths at the hands of Caucasian police officers. Do I think he screwed up? Yes he most certainly did. Does he deserve to be punished? Yes. How? Not for me to decide, but he does need to be punished. Do I enjoy his content? Yes for the most part. Does that make me racist? No. He needs to understand that he has a great deal of responsibility and he can't continue to make gravely poor decisions like this.     

    • XWickerXMan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      Damn it! I didn't watch long enough and Adam started talking about EVERYTHING that I just wrote about! Oh well, my fault for jumping ahead.

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    I came for Pewdiepie, but I stayed for the greatest Alliance of Universes.

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    Now this is Hard Nettin'

  • thegr8eli FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    Saying "Hey I'm sorry" shouldn't immediately excuse someone from saying something shitty. Especially when they have a history with saying shitty things. I don't know or necessarily even like PewdiePie but racial slurs being used by anyone isn't cool in the least. Especially in a heated moment of anger. If that's the first thing that comes to mind? You should rethink your way of thinking.

  • Iron7man FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    Adam, you are my role model. I love you. That is all.

  • Another_FH_Viewer FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    Hi, Adam... I doubt you're gonna see this comment but I just want to let you know that those British people you spoke to about the use of the N word in the UK are either dumb, racist or dumb and racist.
    It's a problem here too, sadly. Great podcast btw :)

  • Liberty83 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Liberty

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    First I want to say Great Podcast, loved Jon being on it.  He is a role model to many more than just competitive eaters, specifically "that weird kid" everyone either knows/remembers or identifies with from their school days (who also completely owns said weirdness).  Nothing but love for him!  


    I do have a sincere question for you guys (FH in general) that isn't meant to be accusatory or anything like that. In the past you've released edited videos where someone (I forget who offhand, I want to say James or maybe he was the one who corrected the usage of the term, don't quote me though) used the term "Gypped" and immediately apologized for it.  It wasn't under the guise of comedy like the over the top stereotyped impressions.  There was just something that didn't end up going their way in some sort of exchange and that was the term used.


    Objectively, how is this any different?  Do you think if I dug up the video and linked it to someone at Campo Studio they'd make a statement denouncing FH and putting DMCA's against this podcast (not  that I'm going too, just curiosity about it all).  





    • bkzx FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      Gypsy is a exonym and not a slur for a start. Acceptance of 'gypsy' varies pretty widely and lot of Romani don't consider it a slur and more just a bastardisation of the word 'Egyptian'. (Though wrongly geologically placed) Gypped obviously featuring in the Oxford English Dictionary is problematic for those unaware of the connotations it once aligned with but over time has wilted out: also gip, "to cheat, swindle," 1889, American English, traditionally derived from Gypsy(n.). Gyp/gip/jip is attested from 1794 as university slang for a servant that waited on students in their halls. This is said to have been especially a Cambridge word, and a story told there derived it from Greek gyps "vulture," in reference to thievish habits of the servants. Long story short, the lexicon and heritage of the word is complicated enough within itself to justify the difference (objectively) without context as is the evolution of the English language.


    • Liberty83 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Liberty

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      This is both interesting and awful at the same time, the etymology of words always has some interesting twists and turns to them.  


      However, it legitimately turned my stomach to see "Justify the difference".  Because now I have to ask, who is the worse human being.  The one who uses a racial slur, apologizes immediately and then again publicly or the one who justifies / marginalizes another slur against a group of people to try and make a point.


      Gypsy isn't a slur, but we aren't talking about the word Gypsy, we are talking about "Gypped" or "Jipped" a word that by common nomenclature is based off the notion that "All Gypsy's are dishonest/steal/cheat"  It is like the phrase (that again I think I remember FH using in the past) : Jew, specifically "To Jew someone out of something".  Jew isn't a racial slur, but then again we already know that.  It is however a disparaging remark made against a group of historically victimized people.  (Something that jipped/nigger also have in common) So, no you can't justify the difference because 600 years ago, it might have originated from the word vulture or something. We have Negro from spanish/portugese decent, which came from the latin niger/nigrum which beyond meaning black/dark/dusky had the connotations of bad/wicked/unlucky.  


      You did miss the point of the inquiry though, both parties made  disparaging remarks that paint an entire group of people in a negative light for bigoted reasons (Whether one was a racial slur and the other was a negative bigoted stereotype is a moot point). Both apologized immediately and recognized it was wrong.  Some of the FH fans are defending PDP, some are passing judgement, some are calling out those already defending PDP when the content creators they watched did something similar, though using a "Softer" slur from a cultural perspective.


      The last bit, probably came out worse than intended (like possibly a passive aggressive threat : WHAT IF I SHOWED THIS TO CAMPO??") when it honestly wasn't intended that way, it was more a question - Do you believe they'd strike your video as well? If they did or  didn't, would it be because of 1.2 million subs vs. 57 million.  Or would it be because from a cultural perspective, one slur is more impactful at this moment than another.  



  • OniZonda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

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    I don't give a single shit about pewdiepie one way or another, but after hearing about it, I have to say that a lot of comments I've seen are mostly misinformation and idiots thinking they know better when in reality, everything that's happened is perfectly reasonable and acceptable. Yea, Campo Santo is taking his "work" out of context (whether he was streaming for fun or for money, it's him doing his thing so it's technically work), but as FH said, it's closer to a sponsorship so they can take away his right to use their product. Also, CS isn't taking down every single video from pewdiepie's channel, just the ones that have their IP in it. They own the IP, he only has a license to play it. And FAQ isn't the same as ToS. And the people that are talking about boycotting it are probably the stupidest of them all. You didn't buy the game already for a reason. You probably never were going to buy it in the first place so there's nothing that could've been done to change your mind. Saying it out loud is just a cry for attention. I didn't buy it, I probably won't either. But the sheer number of people that are saying they're boycotting the game makes me want to buy a copy, just to spit in the faces of people that are "boycotting" something they were never going to get anyway.

    • lootsorrow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      "so there's nothing that could've been done to change your mind"


      Ever heard of a steam sale?

  • lootsorrow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    This incident had absolutely nothing to do with firewatch or campo santo, until they chose to make it about themselves. They chose to do this because they want attention for their new upcoming game (which they reference in passing "and future Campo Santo games"). This is an ad, a plug. And it's fucking disgusting. Pewdiepie said a bad word in a moment of frustration, hey maybe he was watching a movie or listening to a song with N-words-a-plenty and it just came out. Also he's not american and the rest of the world doesn't revolve around america and american culture and history, so there's no valid reason to expect him to know all of the deep nasty details of the true history of the word to really deeply understand what it means when you say it. He did a bad thing, but he didn't put his foot down and say 'no fuck you I'll use that word if I want'. He apologized. And then Campo Santo said "Yeah but hey look at us! :)!!!!" Fuck you, campo santo. I didnt' care about your old game or your new game, but now I definitely won't even consider buying it. Eat the biggest blackest dick that pewdiepie can find.

    • OniZonda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

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      Your statement seems to be the same tho. It's not informational and in legal speak, they have to say "and future Campo Santo games" to ensure that he doesn't attempt to do the same with any future release, which they are already planning on making more. They didn't reveal any details and the fact that they are working on more isn't news. They've been talking about it for a while so knowing that, the statement was included because it's already public information. And the fact that you had to say you didn't buy it and now you're definitely not going to buy it is just your way of vindicating the fact that your opinion means something. 

    • lootsorrow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      My statement is not the same because I am not low-key advertising a new game, nor am I aiming to generate headlines about me. Campo Santo is.

  • CrackingCody FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    If someone genuinely enjoys Pewdiepie, they can easily have a mental problem. This is beyond his racist remarks, he's just always created trash. There's a reason South Park targeted him for an episode. 

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    John is cool AF, i wish he was on Funhaus more often. He's hilarious on Demo Disk

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    So... what you're saying is that you guys should be my role models? Well, if you insist...

  • Obsolete18 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    The thing is people are saying it was an accident but thats bullshit you don't accidentally say a word you don't say relatively often. Like Adam said, in anger I've yelled every curse word under the sun but I've never just randomly thrown out a slur, because i don't use slurs unlike that cunt.

  • Crazayy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    Nibber come at me

  • Freshsoul FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    I don't know whats in his heart, whether he's a racist individual or not, but If Bruce doesn't want to say it, I will : Pewdiepie is a Piece of Shit.

    Bruce and Adam seem to be afraid of criticizing pewdiepie. Maybe you're afraid of the response by his audience (lame) or you're putting this dude on a pedestal.

  • BenSchuetz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    It's not ok to say it unless you're black. Why though? It's just a word. It's not like Pewdiepie used it as a racial slur. He used it to insult the guy who he was angry at. You could substitute any other word in the same context and people would have a had no problem with it. Isn't it time people grew up and realized that words have no meaning expect for the intent with which we use them? I think it's fine to use any word you like as long as the context for its use isn't explicitly for hatred or racism. Stop being offended by words, be offended by their meaning. Pewdiepie wasn't being racist and most certainly wasn't implying anything with his slip of the tongue. 

    • melyssaaaaa FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      there's a lot of weight to the n-word when you say it and that goes for everyone. he didn't say it as just a "word." there was intention behind it; he was angry at someone in a game and he wanted to think of the worst way to put that person down or insult them so he could feel better. and he said a word with a lot of weight, aggressive history, and maliciousness; a word that's not used in normal conversation, like when you drop something by accident or when someone bumps into you at the store.


      you said "words have no meaning except for the intent with which we use them." he very clearly intended to use that word with the intention of belittling, insulting, and degrading another player. a word that was used in the same fashion during slavery, when slave owners would belittle, insult, and degrade black men and women. i don't know how else to see that word in any other way and i don't understand how other people can see it differently, either.

    • AzuStar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      the word Nigger, like all words has actual meaning and history? like Nigger specifically was (and still is mind you) used derogatively to refer to black people, specifically to put us under other people. Whenever someone who isnt black uses Nigger as an insult, they're insulting you by comparing you to black people, as tho being black is inherently bad/they consider black people under themselves. that's not okay, thats blatantly racist. 


      Pewds specifically said "what a fucking Nigger". he basically insulted this dude by describing them as a black person he sees beneath him in some way. Right after this hoe just decided that it might not be great to be associated with White supremacy too.

    • TateJames FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      Because it's a word that is representative of hundreds of years of racial subjugation, the result of which is still very prominent in modern society. You may have a point if you were talking about normal curse words (fuck, bitch, cunt, etc) but this word has a particular history which gives it wieght and meaning.

    • donevillena FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      The problem comes in when you're trying to discern who's using it for non-racist reasons and who's using it legitimately as a racial slur. I haven't watched the Pewdiepie thing but if, according to you, it was a slip of toungue, how would we know in the future (if he ever slips up again) that he's not using it, with legitimate hate, off-camera? 


      Although I agree that anyone's use of words doesn't necessarily lead to a conclusion of who they are, it does tell us alot. And with Pewdiepie, who works in a profession so verbally reliant, you've got to wonder; is his use of that word really that harmless?

    • genericdude1 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      So, personally I don't think the word itself should be too powerful, but at the same time I'm also not black and understand that it IS powerful to a large population. I'm definitely right wing and believe these days there's too many free passes given by more liberal people to minorities, which to me is the exact opposite of the goal of the Civil Rights movement. It's exactly why I hate when people say "Oh, you can be a nigger and be any race, blah blah blah." Oh? If that's the case, then why not just call all the people you claim you would call the n-word something else that is very insulting to them as an individual, such as calling them trash or whatnot.


      Put simply, trying to claim it's another word is stupid because it's ignoring the consequences of calling someone something that is very insulting not on an individual level, but instead on a racial level. And even if you mean different, it's interpreted differently. Manners 101: make sure you speak in a way that is clearly conveyed and understood.

    • BenSchuetz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      People here seem to be under the impression that I don't understand the negative connotations connected to the word and the meaning it represents when it's said. The only reason this word is still negative to this day is because of its perpetual abuse through the power we give it. I implore all of you to look into Saussure's sign and signifier theory and learn about the what gives words their meaning. If you truly think Pewdiepie wasn't using the word as a substitute for something like asshole or dickhead then you're not giving him enough credit. I don't even like Pewdiepie and I can tell you from what I saw he has no intention of using the word to reference slavery or black oppression. If we as a society want to eliminate the racist separation that words like this provide in hate speech then we need to remove the power we give words like these by using them in our common vernacular. In short don't associate the words use with racism and hate speak or stop using the word at all. If only one race can say the word then it is inherently racist. Either everyone can use it or no one should. I like to think of this the same way South Park does with jokes. Either everything is ok or nothing is.

    • shotgunbadger FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      Because at literally no point in history has the word 'nigger' been used in any context other than oppression, abuse, and dehumanization. There's no other meaning, there's no side history, 'nigger' has always been a tool of hatred.


      People within the affected group are free to attempt to reclaim it, because they're the ones who are targeted by it. There's always been a very passionate debate within the black community over the validity of reclaiming it and all, but that argument is theirs to have simply because they're the only ones who have the experience of that word.


      Also Pewds speaks english as a second language, if that word is right at the tip of his tongue when he gets upset he probably has some issues. Like, I've been angry at games a ton but somehow I've never tossed that out.

  • melyssaaaaa FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    when people say, "black people say it all the time! it's in rap music all the time! why can't pdp say it?" it sounds like they've never spoken to or really listened to a black person. the n-word with an A is extremely different than the n-word with a hard R and i think that's pretty important to point out. as a woc, i've never heard the n-word (with an A) as something so hateful and vile said from one black person to another. there's a lot of context in songs and conversations when black people say the n-word (with an A) and if you fail to recognize that, then that displays a bit of ignorance you may have towards understanding the rap and hip-hop community and black people in general.


    when you say the n-word with a hard R, there is absolutely a malicious and terrible intent behind your words. you know exactly why you're saying it, what your intentions are, how you felt when you said it, and how you're regarding that person you're talking to or about. it was extremely clear that pdp said it with negative intentions so he could insult someone in a video game. and that's not right. and no matter where he's from, he should be extremely conscious of his actions on the internet. i don't see why he needs to be excused for these things.

  • DerrickFord FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Seems kind of scummy to me. Campo Santo clearly doesn't like Let's Players, but are totally cool with the properties getting exposure on the largest YouTube channels. If they didn't want him to profit off of games they make then a DMCA should've been claimed immediately, not after he says a racial slur. I understand that they are within their legal right, but it seems pretty shitty to do a claim after the growth in sales. Furthermore, this should put all Let's Players on notice that if you do ANYTHING that a developer doesn't agree with, then your videos can be demonetized. This could be the start of ad-pocalypse 1.5 or 2.0.

    • estone17 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      People just dont want their companies name attached to a news headline. Who knows what video the media would use in a article about pewdiepie if it ends up being firewatch then thats bad for them. Maybe its 75% trying to make a statement. I agree with funhaus that they are allowed to do whatever.(with their content) for whatever reason. and 25% covering their own asses from bad PR.

    • OniZonda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

      1 week ago

      If Let's Players and streamers weren't already on notice, then they're foolish to even have anything to do with streaming/Let's Plays in the first place.

  • NicolaiAAA FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    *everyone talking about Pewdiepie*

    Me: "Dude, Enemy Mine was a great movie."

  • Discombobulatin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    This has nothing to do with Dude Soup. I was watching old Demo Disk episodes last night and there is an episode where you guys brought up Cat Stevens, my Spotify has Cat Stevens on the front page today. Either you guys are prophets, or the machines are learning 

  • goodman314 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    never say the full er always go for the ga, ones offensive one is an alteration so what ever happens you can fall back on the fact that you're not american (like myself). 


    orrrrr don't say it at all ?

  • HereComeGiants FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    i'm willing to bet the large majority of people who are offended by his use of the n word aren't black

    • Crazayy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      So true tho

  • SEAtliens FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Do you guys personally know pdp? I don't know why constantly has to be given the benefit of the doubt. He clearly is a shitty human being, Unless you know him personally there is no reason to defend him. Who cares if he apologized, he used a word of hate against another person without hesitation. He isn't sorry for using the word he is sorry for saying it on stream.   

    • NatFlat FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      I think they want to avoid upsetting a large vocal audience like pdp's

    • HereComeGiants FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      Do you know pewdiepie personally? how do you know he's a shitty human being? Unless you know him personally there is no reason to vilify him. 


      Goes both ways. 

    • Crazayy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      you could say the same thing about funhaus.... (I love funhaus)

    • SEAtliens FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      He used a word of hate against a race of people as an insult. That is a fact and nothing changes that. He is public figure when you make these sort of choices you should be judged by those choices. 

    • BunBun1 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      Okay, but Funhaus casually use racist humour all the time, and you're still watching.  Maybe tone down your own hypocrisy before you start vilifying people.  

    • Obsolete18 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      @BunBun1 You do understand that there is a difference between using racial stereotypes in the context of humor vs Using a slur in a hateful way, right? Maybe you should tone down your own stupidity before you start accusing people of hypocrisy.

    • HereComeGiants FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      @Obsolete18 I word is a word buddy. You can't cherry pick when it is and isn't offensive. Either it's all ok or none of it is ok. 

  • FaZe_Clam FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    "A lot of people who do eating contests... probably look up to me."

    Immediately on board with having more Jon on the podcasts, that one killed me

  • wileypetey FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Adam has stepson confirmed