THE END OF MULTIPLAYER GAMES? - Dude Soup Podcast #145

Dude Soup: THE END OF MULTIPLAYER GAMES? - Dude Soup Podcast #145

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Today, Lawrence and the gang discuss Activision's multiplayer patents as well as:
2:15 - Tons of gameplay footage from Jacob's Destiny 2 adventure.
31:00 - Bots in video games, social media, and beyond.
49:00 - YouTube continuing to favor "brand safe" content.
51:50 - Hard Nettin'.


Want more Dude Soup? Check out the Post Show: http://funhaus.roosterteeth.com/show/fan-show


Merch yourself! bit.ly/fhmerch


SOURCES:
[Glixel] Activision Researched Using Matchmaking Tricks to Sell In-Game Items: https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/how-activision-uses-matchmaking-tricks-to-sell-in-game-items-w509288
[USPTO]
System and method for driving microtransactions in multiplayer video games: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/9789406
[Twitter]
DeeJ Disclaims Matchmaking: https://twitter.com/DeeJ_BNG/status/920401730684166146
[Wikipedia]
Plato was on some shit, man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
[Fortune]
Sony Patent is Hilarious, Terrifying: http://fortune.com/2013/04/30/sony-patent-is-hilarious-terrifying/


HARD NETTIN':
[YouTube] Dyson Show: https://www.youtube.com/user/DysonShow500/featured
[YouTube]
Fart Master: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHoG_XCz4RxtE6Z6dYRtFxQ


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  • Shepsus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Shepsus

    4 weeks ago

    So, I haven't watched the Post-Show yet, but the bot thing raises an interesting question.

    There are many older games that don't have a player base anymore, and the servers still up and empty. There were events catered to stuff like the termination of Quake Servers, or old MMOs, or Cod2, etc, etc because the player base has moved on.

    One would hope that the company with the patent could monitor where their bots are at any given time, but what happens when a server is only played by a few people, but still seems popular with a lot of bots?
    Imagine a server with a low player base. Are bots just continuing to pair with bots in order to snag a human and show off their gear? 

    How much longer do these games intend on staying up because of the possibility of monetization?


    Do you think we'll notice or catch on if our best friend DragonKiller6969 always has the rank up of the gun I've chosen to play with? If you can friend them, will they always have the latest FPS game to play with me?
    I'll stick with humans. 

  • IronChefKevin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Occasionally cool

    4 weeks ago

    Wait, that video with the card and the orangutan, no way that's real. I love the videos of various apes having magic preformed for them, but that guy somehow managed to force a card through glass, what the fuck. How is the FH crew not in more amazement of that? Do y'all just know magic and know that one already? If that wasn't staged then I'm baffled 

  • peckpogydah Peckpogydah

    4 weeks ago

    I always thought the matchmaking system in OW sucked. I would either destroy or get destroyed. I hardly ever had an even game that I was satisfied with at the end. Their plan backfired with me because I never spent a dime on the game after the $25 I paid for it on sale.

  • Witedog47 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Taller than Tall

    4 weeks ago

    On the Overwatch thing on xbox with the strange names, its because of Overwatches matchmaking and how xbox will let you do family sharing with an almost infinite accounts. On the overwatch side people will realize that their hidden SR is almost locked in from when you first play no matter how much "better" you get at the game. So many people will make a new account with their family sharing (meaning you can make a totally free account without paying for xbox live and another copy of overwatch) to get their SR much higher since you don't have the bad games when you were still learning the game lowering your hidden SR and you'll perform much better by stomping on genuinely newer players. 



    TL;DR: People make new dummy accounts to see the imaginary SR soar

  • christian1997wright FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    When Blizz says they want your W/L to be 50/50, they are basically saying they want the system to put you in the correct skill tier. If your W/L was 80/20 then you got placed way too low and hopefully will climb until you reach a tier where your W/L is 50/50 and vice versa. The only time they intentionally put you up against a higher skill team is when you go on a huge win streak, and that is just to gauge your actual skill rating. The matchmaking system is by no means perfect, but the intention of the 50/50 split not to take control away from you.

    • christian1997wright FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      In the Battlefield example Bruce provided, by selecting a different server he essentially is doing what Blizz is trying to do with matchmaking: put you in a lower skill tier when you keep getting stomped and put you in a higher skill tier when you stomp every team. The goldilocks zone is the 50/50 tier or "Battlefield Server."

    • peckpogydah Peckpogydah

      4 weeks ago

      You are missing the point though. Intentions are fine and dandy but the fact remains control of my destiny has been taking from me.


      Also, with dedicated servers and Battlefield you get 32 other players that have varying skill level.  So in the same match you can pwn and be pwned. So the overall experience of that match feels 50/50. Which makes me want to play again.  In OW, when I get completely dominated. I can't tell if I suck, my team sucks, or if the other team was just plain better. Or I could dominate the other team and never be challenged. If I wanted that I would go farm lvl 10mobs in my lvl 70WHM in FF14.   In both scenarios I'm not having fun and go to a game that is fun and challenging. 

  • Samueldk1 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Elyse just doesn't give a damn about this farting at the end lol

  • Roman727 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Roman

    4 weeks ago

    Again another thing they stole from Hi-Rez. Hi-Rez gives bots player names and you don't know if youre beating people or bots. 

  • Roman727 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Roman

    4 weeks ago

    did they detonate the studio?

  • arin99 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Given, that AI will be better than any human in any given video game, I think the ranking of humans will be how well we do against the main AI. 


    If the bots from the patent can be implemented in a better way in a single player game that would be amazing. Example - Overwatch 2 could be a single player game if it uses similar bot-logic baked into the game making it playable without internet perhaps even on a portable. 


    Strange how we go from playing alone in the beginning of video games and doing a full circle with this crazy real human multiplayer period in the middle. 


  • sciah FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Rhe-an-nan

    4 weeks ago

    that Demo Disk shirt is BOSS

  • Bluegrass_Baron FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago


    • Yerjerbs FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Any argument can be won with retorting "what is real?"  ANY argument.  Remember that.

  • TheGreyishOne FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I wonder how this will affect games like Rainbow Six Seige, where there's nothing for a player to buy. Seige already has an NPC mode for me to play, and I feel like I lose so often with Seige but still play it that that really wouldn't be worth it for Activision to insert that kind of system

  • Dappertree901 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I've never seen Elyse get so uninterested in something as much as when they watched those fart videos lol

    • ElyseWillems FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      I don't need to watch it when I live it.

    • Dappertree901 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Oh my god you responded to me, love seeing you interact with us!  <3

  • MTGknifer FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold HeroOfTheStorm

    4 weeks ago

    1st 30 seconds was staring at the perfect Lawdawg hair wave. Flawless.

  • AmiralPatate FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Activision's move is very cyberpunk, and what I love is they swear they haven't used it and would only do it for the good of us gamers. Yes, multi-billion dollar, tax-dodging corporation, that is a very convincing statement you're giving. You know, I don't know why they even bother trying to put a positive spin on it.


    On a sidebar, I've stopped playing competitive multiplayer games for the most part. One reason is the inherently unfair nature of unlockables, but that's a whole 'nother discussion by itself. Another reason is an alarming amount of people are dicks and I'm not dealing with that. Honestly, I'd probably enjoy a game like Call of Duty more if it were bots everywhere, because all I liked doing in Advanced Warfare was sliding around and shooting my lazor gun. Who needs humans for that?

  • ConnorDurkin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    To what Lawrence was saying about Xbox Gamertags: that pattern (AdjectiveNounNumber) is the standard randomly generated Gamertag that Xbox Live suggests when you first sign up. The reason why so many of them are around on Overwatch in particular is that people whose main account is highly ranked will make up these "guest" accounts on their xbox, assign it the standard randomly-generated name, and set up home Xbox Live Gold sharing to play online with it.


    All of this is done with the express intention of using an unranked account to completely destroy lower-ranked players. It's a really shitty practice and it makes playing Overwatch at lower levels toxic as hell.

  • donitsi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    fartmaster made me think of that one kenny vs spenny ep. 

  • Lorhechapol FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    There's an earnestness in Dyson Show that makes it so endearing. 

  • Antimattergizmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    To be honest in the way that you guys presented the possibilities of all this development into making convincing bots makes me really like that idea. The day AI is perfected to where I can play any game multiplayer but not actually with people would be an amazing day indeed. I've been cockblocked too many times by Achievements that require co-op play or even unlocks blocked because you have to play with friends. The latter case being the newest CS:GO operation that has missions that are only co-op, but the AI is so bare bones it's not possible without humans.

  • GenesisJFAP FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    "We want you to win 50% of the time and lose 50% of the time" is pretty lame, in my opinion. What's the point of competition if it's fabricated to create equality? Defeats the whole purpose if wins and losses are controlled by powers outside those actively participating in the contest.

  • Jagokoz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I'd rather play with bots. I hate online gaming for the very reason people act rudely without the need for repercussions. In life, as in gaming, I try to fit a place that helps others and works to a goal. This works, but some people don't want that. They want to annoy others to see how they react. This type of person and myself do not work together and a team game like Overwatch collapse because of it. I would rather have a field of bots that play with and against me because while they may be bad, they will not try and throw the game because you aren't healing their tank. 

  • HipsterDadJeans FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Lawrence = Quintessential Games Journalist 

  • Decrozi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Anime fan

    4 weeks ago

    So they've patented a way to turn multiplayer into single player experience. Sure, why not.

  • shmanel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    According to the infallible source of The Internet, the original idea (or just fan theory?) for the Matrix was that the Zion "real world" was just level 2 of the Matrix, and that's why Neo had powers and Smith could jump through the phone.  Humans fucked up the world Wall-E style and made the Matrix to put people in until things got better.  But then the machines decided not to bring people back out, and created this war between man and machine basically to give them something to occupy their time with.  Really, they just gave them good bots to fight.


    I don't know if any of that is true, but it's what I read and made a bunch of stupid things about the movies make a bit more sense.  Still doesn't stop Revolutions from sucking though.

  • oh_bother FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    When the bots mostly control the internet they are going to be using stuff like the hard nettin video to determine human behavior. We are on the precipice of a wondrous age. 

  • rhn94 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I would love an intelligent AI in a RPG or MMORPG type world that would react more dynamically to the situations at hand instead of obviously choosing a path (even if there are many, still feels like i followed a clearly outlined path, didn't get there myself); plus you don't have to deal with human beings which is great; AI doesn't have to be NPCs in a world, it can be the world itself generating things more intelligently to how you play, that would have great use in horror games too, sort of like an AI Dungeon Master

    plus imagine if they can make an AI bot in CSGO or something by learning certain play styles of good players so you can play against them? Is this how robo-phobia is born? Just watch Blade Runner 2049

  • williamdiangelo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    on xbox i was silencedline92 for the longest time so name generation for xbox is that word word 2#s

  • Artoodee FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    On my PC when I play games through the windows store or an old game that uses games for windows live I get a random generic gamertag.

  • BlueRayman FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I'd me interested to see if the same tech could be used for something more creative than just selling me shit, I'd like to see somebody use that tech in a creative way.

    If u can build on the fly NPCs to sell me stuff couldn't you use the same/similar tech to build NPCs in an open world/sandbox game for example

    • Yerjerbs FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      The unfortunate thing is that ideas cost money.  Much like for every Funhaus to give us one thing they want to create, they have to trudge through 20 things they have to create.  For good intentioned people to give us a solution to global warming, they have to sell us a million bags of shit.

  • astralsphinx FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I fucking KNEW that facebook told my friends that i 'like' shit that i didnt like. Even though its anecdotal, i swear ive seen this happening as well lawrence.

  • Jinjix FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    The gamer tag thing is Xbox. Like for example I watched an RT video a while back where they were messing with Ryan's tag (I think that was the video), and they were looking at random ones and there were ones like "BulkierSphynx" and other two-word ones together - so they're not bots. :D

  • heynowyoureashrekstar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Watching that guy rip ass for 53 seconds just blew my mind

  • nebbyb FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    James' comment about the 12 year olds and the wazzap meme is so true 

  • juneid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Please for the love of god stop talking about how you are going to talk about something and just talk about it!

  • funkmasterflex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Wasn't ready for that threesome Blade Runner 2049 spoiler, but now im gonna watch it for sure

  • IpBlood FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold David

    4 weeks ago

    The Facebook thing is true. those pages that you do to "see which (Blank) you are" take your info and when you click the button to consent your data to be used you also allow them to use your name in adverts like that.

  • acidarcher FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

  • ProdigalBun FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Fart Master is 3kliksphilip

    • Artoodee FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      My God..

  • CheapCulture FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Bruce: IT'S A SNIFF FILM. 


    Hey-o, I'll be here all week ladies and gentlemen. 

  • jmcreech FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold I Drink & I Know Things

    4 weeks ago

    I was apparently one of the two that watched AotS...though not as much when KP left

    • Decrozi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Anime fan

      4 weeks ago

      Remember McHammer?

    • jmcreech FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold I Drink & I Know Things

      4 weeks ago

      Olivia Munn will forever be a lovable idiot in my eyes lol

  • Kr1sp FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I watched Attack of the show every damn day. I eventually stopped watching G4 when I realized I had seen the same review of some crap game on X-play for the fourth time.Daily content shows don't do well as reruns.

  • XBoxLingo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Dayum. The fart master makes me appreciate the subtleties of Bruce's farts...

  • SimonPaul FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Everything is fine.

    http://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png


  • BeekerBoxxx FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I don't appreciate how dismissive Elyse was of Fart Master, let the man have the dignity his title demands.

  • WigginsBradley FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold I'm gay for my boyfriend

    4 weeks ago

    Holy shit Jacob - you're amazing at Destiny! +1 Jacob

  • jclark2747 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Why is the gameplay on the larger portion of the screen? I think there is enough Destiny 2 footage on YouTube. I guess its because it was paid for by Bungie? I could be wrong.

  • ChaoticPKK FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Tony

    4 weeks ago

    I'm an adult. An adult who slept poorly last night and found that Fart Master video far too giggle-inducing. Great podcast

  • ImmortanKyle FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold (Put Your Pun Here)

    4 weeks ago

    I love James and Elyse's reaction to the hard nettn', you can tell that they are married.