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WATCH THIS WHILE YOU CAN (Net Neutrality) - Dude Soup Podcast #150

Dude Soup: WATCH THIS WHILE YOU CAN (Net Neutrality) - Dude Soup Podcast #150

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Alright. Focus. Eyes up here everybody. This week's topic isn't sexy but it is important for anyone who uses the internet for any damn thing. We're gonna break down this renewed Net Neutrality debate and tackle: 3:25 - What Net Neutrality is and how it currently functions. 6:20 - How it affects video streaming services. 11:25 - American capitalism and its relationship with regulation. 22:20 - Current ISP marketplace. 45:00 - "But Funhaus, what can I do?" 56:45 - Hard Nettin'.

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SOURCES: [Fortune] Net Neutrality Explained: What It Means (and Why It Matters): http://fortune.com/2017/11/23/net-neutrality-explained-what-it-means-and-why-it-matters/ [Ars Technica] All signs point to December vote to kill net neutrality rules, reports say: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/fccs-net-neutrality-killing-vote-on-track-for-december-14/ [Wikipedia] Net neutrality: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality [Wired] What Everyone Gets Wrong in the Debate Over Net Neutrality: https://www.wired.com/2014/06/net_neutrality_missing/ [Ars Technica] FCC explains why public support for net neutrality won’t stop repeal: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/why-the-fcc-ignored-public-opinion-in-its-push-to-kill-net-neutrality/ [Ars Technica] 98.5% of unique net neutrality comments oppose Ajit Pai’s anti-Title II plan: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/isp-funded-study-finds-huge-support-for-keeping-current-net-neutrality-rules/ [LA Times] I'm on the FCC. Please stop us from killing net neutrality: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-rosenworcel-fcc-net-neutrality-repeal-20171122-story.html

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  • CheapCulture FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Gee... Maybe if we spend more time/energy on improving connections and bandwidth, then the "prioritization argument" wouldn't even matter in the first place. The repeal is clearly a shameless cash and power grab - one that's being decided/supported by a bunch of old fucks who still use an AOL email address and couldn't figure out their Compaq Presario if it megabit them in the ass.

  • Podozpbking FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    LOL "Free Market has never worked."  Coming from guys who play video games for a living and those games have better graphics being rendered Natively than Blockbuster Animated Movies 15 years ago.  And they post videos on a private company's service which was spawned out of some grad students' dorm room.  And they make their living on making dick and poop jokes to the entire world.  Man the Free market as really sucked for you guys.
    I agree the Free market isn't perfect and it sucks in some areas, but its produced the greatest standard of living acceleration the world has ever seen.  In the RT Podcast Burnie made a comment about how in the 80s their ideas of "future tech" was an LED light on an handheld device the size of a hard cover book (his reference to the RoBo Cop tracker).  In the 30 years since the 80's love of the Future: Robo Cop, total Recall, etc. our concept of future tech has accelerated so much. 10yr ago on Black friday you were luck to get a 1gb Flash drive under $100, now you get 256gb Flash drives for $30.  Why did that happen?  Because some government sponsored initiative? No, a company said, "we can make it better and cheaper than the next guy." and they did it.
    Can me some capitalist Shill, but yea sure I am because that is what gave you your Google Pixel 2, iPhone X, 8-core Ryzen CPU, Halo Combat Evolved, video capture cards and thus Your Rooster Teeth which is now one of the best internet based entertainment companies.
    Fuck the Free Market.

    • xiaohaus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold xiaohaus

      1 week ago

      you're complaining about the content you paid to watch?

    • DancinShroom FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      lul at using Ryzen as an example, nothing else. Just that

  • ragusa33 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Goose Master

    1 week ago

    At least we can take some comfort knowing that Satan will be busy butt-raping Trump & Paji in Hell for all eternity. 

    • lootsorrow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      isn't hell supposed to be things the person didn't like in life?

    • ragusa33 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Goose Master

      1 week ago

      Which is exactly what Trump & Paji are getting now.

  • theodorex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    If funhaus had a patreon I would support it.. just sayin' 

  • JSebastian FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    The reason there is no competition isn't because the monopolies kill the little guy, it's because the Gov is crooked, officials take bribes, and shitty laws are implemented that make it almost impossible to start an ISP (https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/qkvn4x/the-21-laws-states-use-to-crush-broadband-competition). Net neutrality was a band-aid on the sucking chest wound that is Gov't corruption. Get rid of all laws preventing competion (implement a free market), then you can get rid of net neutrality. This means, while initially, where people only have 1 provider, they could be price gouged, especially where there is price gouging, people will demand competition and it will actually be able to start. You may well end up with better service than before net neutrality due to price competion.

    • Podozpbking FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      Truth!  The idea of Free Market, when an industry has Large Margins/profits, a competitor sees those margins and says "I want those, how do I get them." and they enter the market and could offer a similar product for a lower price because there is such a large margin in the product to begin with, or even offer a better product/service for the same price, with the idea they pull enough market share from the first product, the new company can make their margins and stay in business.  Once the First company sees their market share drop they need to either change their product (improve) or lower their price (lower profits) to maintain a sustainable business model.

  • holidayhippie11

    1 week ago

    The fact that Funhaus and Roosterteeth and the SlowMo guys exist is proof that Capitalism works.

  • holidayhippie11

    1 week ago

    Also, if you guys think that you don't want to get rich, you're not being intellectually honest.

  • holidayhippie11

    1 week ago

    Greed is not the pursuit of money. The pursuit of money is required in order to live. Greed is the desire and pursuit of something simply to have it, and not wanting to give any of it away.


    I love how you guys are talking about people having so much money, and there's no mention of Jeff Bezos who now is worth $100B+, and has given almost none of his money away.

  • IpBlood FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold David

    1 week ago

    if you want to have a job in todays market you NEED the internet. 

  • BQJmcF FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    This is an important Soup to watch, its serious and real and some of the best discussion on the topic i have found so far.

  • wbragg87 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    I can see where James' is coming from... People are their actions. Do you judge someone off of something they say or do once, or what they've done consistently? Companies are no different. I don't think it's any huge conspiracy or some such, but each individual company in this issue is greedy as fuck... So based on their consistent actions, this gon' suck. 

  • killerparrot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    There are other ways to combat the FCC's federal deregulation of net neutrality. You can still regulate the internet at the state level and local level. 


    For example, the Austin Texas population VOTED for a proposition that required Uber and Lyft drivers to undergo fingerprint background checks to ensure public safety. Austin TX felt that if convicted criminals had access to the drive-sharing consumer population, it would be dangerous. 


    Citizens, city governments, and state governments can create and pass legislated net neutrality regulations.


    Unfortunately in the ride-sharing scenario, Uber and Lyft decided to pull out of Austin. But, this result can also be bypassed.


    When there is a need for a product, the market works to provide that product. In the case of the ride-sharing business, other ride-sharing companies/businesses/start-ups worked to compensate for Uber's and Lyft's departure.


    However, on completely different note, THE BEST SOLUTION may come from Chattanooga Tennessee. That's right. Tennessee. Their internet works exactly how most public utilities work. The City of Chattanooga decided to develop a "fiber optic internet network". People living in Chattanooga (Chattanoogans, Chattanooganites, Chattanooganuggets) can pay $60 to receive GUARANTEED 100 Mega-bit speed or $80 for 1000 Mega-bit speed. 


    When FCC inevitably deregulates net neutrality, people should look to try and legislate net neutrality regulations in their city/state, or, emulate Chattanooga's internet service. Please, participate in your local and state elections. Especially over such a non-partisan issue.


    Links:

    Uber and Lyft Leaving Austin - ;http://money.cnn.com/2016/05/08/technology/uber-lyft-austin-vote-fingerprinting/index.html

    Chattanooga internet pricing - ;https://epb.com/home-store/internet#pricing

    Chattanooga internet setup - ;http://money.cnn.com/2014/05/20/technology/innovation/chattanooga-internet/index.html

    • holidayhippie11

      1 week ago

      That regulation on Uber and Lyft was overruled by state legislation and returned Uber and Lyft to Austin.


      https://www.texastribune.org/2017/05/25/uber-lyft-returning-austin-monday/

    • killerparrot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      Wow! Thanks, holidayhippie11, for correcting me on the information. I totally forgot about the state overturning the local legislature. 


      I still believe the Uber/Lyft scenario does provide an adequate example of power at the city government level. Granted, in this example the state legislature overturned the city's decision. However, many local/city governments could look to emulate the same process, in regards to net neutrality, and have better results.  


      When the FCC deregulates Net Neutrality, I theorize that many states, especially blue and purple states, will have congressional and gubernatorial elections revolving around net neutrality. Specifically, those running for election will view net neutrality as a key swing-vote issue. Many voters who the tow the line between voting Democratic or Republican could be swayed by the promise for local/state net neutrality. Additionally, traditional Democrats who vote in Republican dominated states might find themselves voting for the lesser of two evils (a Republican who supports net neutrality vs a Republican who doesn't) rather than the Democratic nomination who will inevitably lose. 

    • holidayhippie11

      1 week ago

      @killerparrot How dare you accept the correction of your peers! Don't you understand how the internet works?!


      In all honesty, I'm not sure that states would have jurisdiction to essentially enact net neutrality on an ad-hoc basis. The companies who will allegedly perform the routing and throttling are national companies, so I'm not really sure how that would work unless the ISP and the company sending data both headquarter in the same state. Colorado for example couldn't tell Verizon that it can't treat data from RoosterTeeth differently, since Verizon is based in NYC and RoosterTeeth is based in Austin.

    • killerparrot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      @holidayhippie11


      I love valid and credible corrections! Proper feedback and criticisms are important to any discussion!


      Also, just learned a new phrase! "Ad-hoc". Very cool.


      I think you make a valid criticism and raise an interesting question. In short, to address your comment directly, I don't think where the ISP Company is headquartered matters. Like the Uber/Lyft regulation, I believe internet providers would have to adhere to the regulations of the state/city. 


      However, I believe you are also very correct. The best kind of correct. Internet policy becomes an increasingly complex issue when we acknowledge how the internet operates. 


      Let's revisit your scenario. Let's say someone from Colorado is trying to access a server in New York b/c that's where their preferred content is routed and stored. I think this means the Colorado user could be subjected to at least 3 separate city/state internet policies. That would be so complicated!    


      Anyways, I hope I properly addressed your critique! 


       




  • andymcadam91 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    congrats on 150 bowls of soup!

    • sirlarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      Thank you!

  • mo2970 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    The mere fact that the medium for discussing this issue is the internet is reason enough alone to keep the internet neutral. Non-neutral net can influence the traffic next time the country tries to discuss issues, not everyone's voice would be equal.

    • mo2970 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      The FCC itself had devised the mechanism to discuss this and people's opinions on it... on the internet.

    • holidayhippie11

      1 week ago

      Traffic routing at that level would be the target of anti-trust lawsuits.

  • TurnerBurn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Funnier in editing.

    1 week ago

    By the way, if anyone has ever been pissed at an ad popping up or an ad read interrupting their dick jokes, Net Neutrality being taken away will mean it costs companies more money to service content, so they will have to pay for that content with paid subscriptions and more ads. That's how HBO works. As they discussed with TV being unregulated leading to a tiered system, HBO is a paid service that you still have to watch ads on. That is the future of the internet without Net Neutrality.


    Devil's Advocate, unregulated TV has forced HBO to curate compelling content (GoT, West World, etc.) to give themselves a leg up and justify charging for subscriptions and running ads. Net Neutrality being taken away could force content creators to make even more compelling content in order to justify charging audiences for their content.


    Devil's Devil's Advocate (God's Advocate?) TV is finite in that only huge companies can green light, and fund, shows. The internet is infinite, where (currently) anyone with enough charisma and a web cam could post content. If Net Neutrality gets stripped away, only be companies large enough afford creating content will exist.

  • SkelterBandit FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Also I think people often forget that capitalism as described by Adam Smith and this post world war 2 corporate capitalism that we live in right now are different somewhat. (Post world war 2 because that's when USSR crumbled to the ground, USSR being the main force fighting the western capitalism that was taking root then).

  • SkelterBandit FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    So from my understanding you cant get more startup ISPs because there would be no point for them to do it. To expand, internet is not just magic that floats in the air. There are literal pipes with wires either under ground or on posts that allow information to travel from one data center to another. Internet itself is the continuous connection between all these data centers and our ability to connect to them. Now these cables are owned by the companies that laid them or bought them as time passed. All startup ISPs would be able to do is go to the big guys and ask if they can buy their connections/cable access and then sell it to us. For example in Canada there are 2 major companies that basically control all the internet, tv and cellular plans in the entire country, Bell and Rogers. There are other companies that sell that all around like TekSavvy, Fido and others but all they do is just buy in bulk from Rogers or Bell depending on the area and then sell to us in a plan so that they either make a profit form up-selling or from providing lower prices and operating at a loss for the short run and then making money back after getting some loyal customers. Either way its not optimal for the small guys and just acts as a mask for the market to hide the oligarchy it really is.

  • crazyjivin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Bruce seems to believe that the free market is like the sky, singular and uniform. Its more like a patchwork were the market has an inconsistent rate of freedom. Basically the market cant be free everywhere all the time, its a theoretical concept. No such creature Bruce, syndicates and cartels are the norm. 

  • PixelProblems FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Oligopolies dominate everything from credit scores to the news and effectively pay a corrupt government to continue to do so.  A former Verizon employee becoming FCC chair and making a decision that so blatantly benefits companies over citizens while an entire country is telling him to stop? How insane. Tragically this decision being made by a few will have an impact that goes beyond U.S borders.


    Unfortunately this among many other reasons is why me and my wife are saving up to leave the U.S even though we were born and raised here. No country is perfect but I don't have time to waste in a rat maze of mirrors that gives the illusion of choice and opportunity. You can work hard enough to have enough money, but you're still getting shafted by those who control all the goods and services. Life is too short, work smarter not harder.

    • vongunther FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      So which maze you going to next?

  • tobes231 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    You guys should rename this episode: 'Americans finally figure out that Capitalism may not be all it's hyped up to be.'

  • FateFTM FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    Pai just wants that Verizon money to keep filtering into his bank account.

    • PixelProblems FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      How his work history wasn't a major conflict of interest barring him from a position is beyond me. The government truly is for the corporations. 

  • 221BLazerTeam FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    I'm someone who doesn't have cable really can't afford it just pay for basic internet so I can watch YouTube and videos I do pay for Rooster Teeth because I love their content but I honestly couldn't imagine not being able to afford paying for more than what is already in my budget I don't know what's going to happen but I really hope that fun house never exceeds my budget because honestly their videos are a priority in a great way

  • borisof007 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold HR Manager, Engineering

    1 week ago

    I'm commenting on this as I'm listening to it - @30:00 roughly, Lawrence starts talking about network traffic with Adam:

    ISP's can absolutely tell which traffic is what (See Comcast throttling bittorrent traffic across its network, and even blocking it entirely a few years back) as it's coming through, and as Lawrence correctly pointed out, they're just not allowed to do anything with it. If Net Neutrality falls, you can guarantee they'll start adjusting traffic across their network (I guarantee they'll use some bullshit word like "Optimizing")

  • borisof007 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold HR Manager, Engineering

    1 week ago

    Hey Bruce and Adam,


    I was classically trained as a Network engineer (I work in HR now), so I get a bit of the network side of things - but oddly enough the reason there's limited competition in terms of broadband access is because larger ISP's have paid large amounts of money to get "Pole rights", access to the telephone poles and conduits that carry their precious fiber backbones. If ANYONE wants to add any lines up there, not even fuck with the existing lines, you have to get approval from the local power companies, approval from the city, permits, and even sometimes approval from the OTHER competitors as well (which seems anti-competitive as fuck but it's the truth)

    Source:

    https://www.wired.com/2013/07/we-need-to-stop-focusing-on-just-cable-companies-and-blame-local-government-for-dismal-broadband-competition/

  • Dr_Wondertainment FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold 2017 Funhaus Haloween Sp

    1 week ago

    I know it's been said already, and I get that you guys are trying to remain impartial, but you're acting like there are actually 2 equal sides of this debate. It's free and open internet versus billionaire executives who, and this is very important, DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU. It's rare that this happens in the world, but what we have here is a pretty fucking clear example of good vs evil. The fact that you're even pretending that repealing net neutrality could be a good thing is insane to me. Hell I live in Canada, it's not even an imminent problem for me. But this is serious, and acting like Ajit Pai isn't a lying sack of shit could be legitimately dangerous. There is no fucking "maybe" here. Especially Bruce. Come the fuck on man, open your eyes. 


    Please take this more seriously. 

    • ThomasTheIdiot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      They literally said it's just devil's advocate because they are non-billionaires that are against net neutrality, and immediately followed it up with that companies have never and will never have our interests at heart. And at the 50 minute mark they basically tell us to make our voices heard if we want to continue to enjoy their content. James even says that if it gets a lot harder to make videos he might just quit. All debates have to side no matter the validity of either argument, and all they were trying to do was show you the arguments against net neutrality so they could disprove them. 

  • YellowJesus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    As far as Spectrum is concerned, I have a brother that moves in then out of the house every other year and puts the internet under his name. I don't have a brother. 

  • GenesisJFAP FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    Bruce's reasons against net neutrality were laughable. I know he explicitly stated he was playing 'devils advocate', but for anyone to even remotely believe the idea that getting rid of net neutrality will allow startup ISPs to prosper is ridiculous. In Bruce's example, the big guy gets too expensive so my choices are (a) No internet or (b) a small ISP I can afford, but I can only do a handful of things. Absolutely no part of this is at all beneficial to the consumer, and exactly ALL the benefit is had by ISPs.


    Edit: There is nothing 'crazy' about large companies trying to maximize their profits to the best of their abilities, and deregulating the service the offer is a brilliant way to do that. Nobody once said it was 'crazy' to get rid of Net Neutrality, the reasoning is pretty logical: make a load more money off people who we already have a large amount of control over.

  • honkysachmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Noah

    2 weeks ago

    aren't there more important matters????? call your congressmen and tell them you support the criminalization of lootboxes!!!! /s

    • honkysachmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Noah

      2 weeks ago

      Jokes aside, there really isn't always a need for somebody to play devils advocate in these conversations, while it's meant to spur good conversation and diversity of opinions, the devil has enough advocates at this time I think lmao.

  • KidGonzo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Prof. of Theater Mode

    2 weeks ago

    Lawrence's reaction when Bruce said he wants to read omegaverse fan fiction next week

  • JoelJuds1000 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    I love the way you guys present important topics like this. You are always well-read and well-versed in the subject material and present informed and insightful arguments. I would love to be able to share this podcast on my Facebook, except for the fact you start talking about dog knots at the end of the episode. Any way you can create an alternate version I can use to awoken the sheeple on my friends list?

    • Shillier FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Elite Staff

      1 week ago

      lol just do it yourself, take the video, cut out the part you want and share away. Just remember to credit Funhaus and link to this page for the full video.

  • dog_full_of_lupus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    Lawrence is saying now "maybe it will be better". I get it for the sake of your appearance to the viewers you want to give it the benefit of the doubt. But this is the same shit that happened when Trump got elected, "He will surround himself with smart people!". No he will do exactly what we thought he will do and he has. This is just another case of that. I swear to god if I have to keep hearing, "Both sides are paid off!". Such horseshit, democratic party is a party to help people. Republican Party is the party to make the rich get richer.

    • honkysachmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Noah

      2 weeks ago

      The democratic party is in the business of making it look like they care about people when in reality they're playing the same exact game. The 8 years we had under obama resulted in dozens of airstrikes a month with thousands of civilian casualties, the genocide in yemen we're seeing now that we're fucking backing via saudi arabia, and now that Ghaddafi is gone Libya is destroyed and there's a booming slave trade. All parties are bought into the corporate industrial war machine that "Made America Great." That being said I would definitely agree that there are less corporate shills and more people interested in actually helping people, regardless of how misguided they are, within the dems as opposed to that grand old party who's entire modern platform was literally built off of appealing to jim crow era racists. 

    • wickedsnakes FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      @dog_full_of_lupus  Exactly!

    • VaultHunter26 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      dog_full_of_lupus, you have an incredibly over simplified black and white way of analyzing things. Don't take a blind eye to any part of the government. The majority of higher level government employees are paid off and absolutely use special interests to get elected or into a position of power and leverage. They simply throw a bone to their constituents or followers every once in a while to keep them oblivious. Have you ever heard of the saying "all roads lead to Rome"? Well its not that hard to follow the money either to see where that leads to.

  • dog_full_of_lupus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    Im all for having devils advocate or a sort of checks and balances in an argument. But this doesn't deserve one. If you know anything about the subject, you would know that only corporations are to gain from this move.

    • TheCommissar113 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      Not just corporations, but a select few corporations. There are many more that are opposed to this, because they, like the consumers, are going to be direct victims of this, big and small.

    • physicsninja FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      Yeah, what a great show it would be if they sat around for an hour stroking their dicks about how bad these evil corporations are and how they're going to shut down the internet. God forbid they TRY to understand a viewpoint other than the one they've already deemed correct.

  • donevillena FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    where did marbleympics go

    • andrava FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      They lost last week

  • MikeSorgen FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    did the video die for anyone else? or did net neutrality just end?

  • BABBS FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    Competition is like gasoline.  On its own it will at best keep a few people warm and at worst burn your house down and kill your family.  However, if you put it in a carefully constructed engine it gives you transportation.  The problem we have now in America is that the people designing the engine are also selling the gas.

    • Josey_wales_ FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      yes, we have all seen how great the government handles businesses just look at the list I made.

      1.uh

      2.hmm

      3.must

      4.be one 

      5.right?

      6.nope

  • teagaaaaaaan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    as far as i can tell the only good pro net neutrality argument is the one regarding local monopolies and my question for that is WHY NOT MAKE A LAW ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE INSTEAD OF SAYING "here's a small problem, lets control everything related to the problem industry and not touch the problem" i am a capitalist as such i DO NOT LIKE MONOPOLIES AS THEY DO NOT ALLOW FOR COMPETITION  AND THUS PRODUCT/SERVICE IMPROVEMENT

  • PrincessRyry FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Studious Student Studyin

    2 weeks ago

    Did anyone else legitimately enjoy that 5 minutes of elevator music?

  • AutumnOnFire FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold How may I be of service?

    2 weeks ago

    Aijit Pie has a face that I want to kick the shit out of.

  • mrjonnypantz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the regulation just shift from the FCC to the FTC?

    • jibubu FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      If I recall correctly (and I think I do), then you are correct.  The issue is that the FTC does not view the Internet the same way the FCC does.  The FCC rules over communications services while the FTC rules over business services. The argument is whether Internet traffic is treated as a form of communication or a form of business.  If it is communication, then the FCC should be allowed to enforce rules regarding how traffic is handled.  If it is a business, then the FTC gets to decide.  It sounds simple, but the problem is that the two divisions treat traffic differently. 

      If the Internet is a business, then your ISP gets to decide what they want to offer, and at what speeds.  If it is communication, they have to offer everything equally.  We are already paying for access to the Internet and this will not change. Regardless of who governs the traffic, we will always have to pay for access. The real issue is that if the Internet changes classification from a form of communication that is granted equally to everyone, to a service that you buy from a business, we will all be subject to the whims of what ever business we chose to buy our Internet access from.  This may not seem like a problem, but consider for a moment your choice of Internet service provider.

      Most of us have none, or at best, one choice between two providers.  The major ISPs have already carved out the US and have agreements in place to limit competition with each other. The idea that small business will rise with the fall of Net Neutrality is a red herring.  The monopoly already exists, we have not seen the effects yet because of the Internets classification as a communication service under the FCC ruling. 

      I know people will say, as the video pointed out, that the Internet was fine prior to 2015.  The mistake is the belief that the Internet is not growing and changing.  Our ability to recognize and classify traffic has changed dramatically in the last ten years.  As our computers grow in power, so do our networking devices.  The reason we did not see this kind of activity more widespread in the 2000s was that the ISPs did not have the power, or foresight, to enact this kind of business model.  We forget how young the Internet is relative to our modern business models. 

      If you feel hopeless at this point, you are not alone.  Things do not look good, but there is hope.  The best thing you can do is to get involved, and make your voice be heard.  There are planned protests, info can found at verizonprotests.com, and anyone who is able should sign up to go and be heard. 

      TL;DR
      The FTC says the Internet is a service and doesn't care if ISPs charge more for certain traffic, as long as they don't break anti-trust/Monopoly laws doing it. (Spoiler alert: they already have monopolies, but the government said it was ok)

      The FCC says the Internet is a form of communication, and regulates ISPs accordingly. Essentially, you cant charge more for Netflix and then slow down YouTube.

  • buddinator6 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    it is a bad statement to say that I trust the government more than companies because history proves that you can trust neither at all.

    • ssjvash FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      While this is unfortunately generally true, the purpose of the government is to protect it's citizens where as the purpose of a company is solely to make money.  The government can protect us from bad business, but companies can only protect us from too much money.  Call me facetious.

    • honkysachmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Noah

      2 weeks ago

      If the government wants to "break the rules" and say, assassinate MLK and JFK or make billions of dollars off of destabilizing the middle east and south America for resources and control they're going to do it and we can't really do anything about it when they make all the rules and supplant themselves as the good guys of the world. That doesn't mean its completely unsalvageable at this point, at least our government offers the tools to be able to create some sort of change as long as enough people are focused and informed, the powers that be have over the past 60 years realized they can take advantage of that through gaslighting and just being blatantly dishonest. And they'll keep doing it until something big happens like our constitution gets revamped and we can instill systems that specifically tries to prevent forms of modern corruption. I feel its going to get a hell of a lot worse before something positive like that could possibly prevail though.

  • O-BEAST84 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    5:22 for the begining of the podcast.

  • juneid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    I know i'm in the extreme minority here but I am personally against Net Neutrality. I think it is good for ISPs to charge big websites a fee to get into a faster lane. That allows ISPs to have more money to optimise their networks and provide better internet. Some ISPs have a monopoly in some areas and this is directly due to government regulations. Ending Net Neutrality would end those monopolies as other ISPs would see that people want more choice and different prices and enter those areas thus creating more competition. Also lets say you are at a convention, the most used website/app is twitter and the connection sucks and twitter is extremely slow, ISPs would provide better speeds for twitter if it is in the fast lane and everyone would be able to to use the app better. Now they invest the money they get in their networks. That means some apps that many people use may be offered/used free of charge( i.e messenger, snapchat). Ending Net Neutrality is actually the way to put the people back in control of the internet instead of the government. 

    • iHysteriahd FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      Well that would also be if you are under the assumption that ISP's are for the people and not profit. I don't think they are considering how they respond to the people and have terrible customer service almost always.

    • juneid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      The market is controlled by the people and yes ISPs only want the money like any company but once you end net neutrality, the voices of the people saying how shitty the customer service is heard and there is money to be made. Once there is money to be made anywhere, there will be a company there to get it. That means other ISPs will come into that market and offer what the customers want, not because they care but they know they can make money. That creates competition which ends up making prices go down and quality go up.

    • DeDeathMedic FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      That would be absolutely terrible. First off, losing Net Neutrality would not end local monopolies, only make them worse. ISPs wouldn't need to move into new areas when they are charging more then they are now to access the same content. Without NN your internet bill goes from a flat rate to something more like a cable bill. Want Social Media sites? That's an extra $10. Want to use streaming services, or entertainment sites? That's an extra $15. Gaming? Oh you bandwidth hog you, that's an extra $30.


      Now on to the part about bigger sites paying for fast lane. In what world is that good? If they pay for a fast lane that gives them an even bigger advantage then smaller companies. Why would anyone be a first member, and watch content here if it loads like dial up, but YouTube loads like high speed cable or fiber? I mean yeah, you'd have your die hard fans that would, but by in large most would move away. Effectively killing competition by paying a gate keeper, not by offering a superior product. 


      So no, there are 0 advantages in losing Net Neutrality for the consumer. What the FCC is trying to do is pro big corporations, and anti consumer. This isn't partisan, this isn't socialism. This is regulating the internet and treating it like the utility it is.

    • hoffm83n FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/02/isp-lobby-has-already-won-limits-on-public-broadband-in-20-states/          you realize that the large isp's work to create and keep the monopolies right? you seem to believe that there will suddenly be a "free market" when there never has been and never will be. the only way there can be a "free market" concerning telecoms is if every company were to fold, and all infrastructure torn down to return to step 1.

    • DurkMcTowel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      But guys! Ending net neutrality will mean the creation of dozens of new ISPs all with hundreds of millions in startup capital and a robust network infrastructure...right? RIGHT? 


      No. You may think it will create the opportunity for other businesses to sweep in, but who will be able to compete with the existing monopolies? The ones that have spent decades and billions to get to the top, and to make sure they stay there.

    • GrateScot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      Its honestly delusional that so many people think that a free market is controlled by the people. It's like thinking a cattleyard is controlled by the cattle. A free market is controlled by those with the most money and influence. In the U.S, that's corporations. They wont side with the people if the regulations are removed, they will side with themselves and each-other. No one stands to benefit but those corporations should NN be removed. You will be charged more, receive less, and be told to be fucking thankful while they do it. It would only get worse.

    • Camkaminsky12 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      If you get rid of net neutrality, "small companies" like Rooster Teeth will have an extremely hard time surviving because people will have to make cuts just to have some base package of internet and wont be able to afford websites like RT and others. 

    • connorhawke FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      ISPs are already rolling in profits and they have done jack all to improve their infrastructure. What makes you think more money would change anything? They've actively spent money on preventing other from improving their own infrastructure so that they didn't have to keep up. There's naive and then there is whatever your post is. 

    • honkysachmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Noah

      2 weeks ago

      Yeah, the government gives millions of dollars of subsidies to walmart yearly because we love the free market, and competition. When was the last time you bought food at a business that wasn't owned by a billionaire that has hundreds if not thousands of other locations? That's not a free or diverse, or competitive market.

    • zeroopx FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      Yeah dude, when I feel my ISP is screwing me over I will just go switch to the mom and pop ISP in my city. Oh wait, there is not one because laying intercontinental cable is not monetarily feasible to do for anyone. The only chance we have regarding the subject is google fiber, but that is just another thing which Google will become the monopoly of.

    • killerrin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      ISPs already charge websites for their traffic and speed. Its called Bandwidth. Having read up on your countries news from across the border, ISPs in the USA just want to double dip.

      There is nothing good about removing Net Neutrality regulations. It will only make things worse for the USA and by proxy of a large amount of business being hosted in the USA will hold the rest of the world's internet services hostage (until businesses begin moving their servers internationally)

  • salsatango FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    Will temporary versions no longer be uploaded early? :(

    • Stenhard_Kinnikuman FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Don't be Cody Be Haggar

      2 weeks ago

      The post show is up but this might just be an accident 

    • Stenhard_Kinnikuman FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Don't be Cody Be Haggar

      2 weeks ago

      Wait no it isn’t, damn

    • zachary_ryan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      I normally watch the temporary stream version on Mondays but it seems they aren't doing that anymore :(

    • sirlarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      The early uploading is getting bumped back a bit due to some shifting internal requirements. It will go up on Tuesday morning now instead of Monday night. Sorry about the delay, but there's not much we can do about it at the moment.