JONTRON VS THE WORLD - Dude Soup Podcast #114

Dude Soup: JONTRON VS THE WORLD - Dude Soup Podcast #114

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While Lawrence is busy getting tossed out of windows or something, the rest of the boys and Elyse tackle Jontron's little dip into the world of political commentary. Also, we have a new, extra creepy installment of Hard Nettin'! Seriously, put that hoagie down. This one gets real weird.


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  • Jacktclark FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I'm sorry if this has been asked heaps before but would there ever be a chance for Omar or some of the others to be on an episode of dude soup? I would love to see them in more content in general!

  • HarrisonD FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I think Elyse having the courage to admit she feels strongly about her beliefs, such as going to the Women's March and opposing white supremacists is absolutely awesome man. I can understand the Adam kind of stand off-ish approach to chatting about politics on this platform too. But I personally find Elyse, being the woman and immigrant in the group, having the courage and intelligence to stand her ground about these things and back them up, cool as shit. You're the best girl, keep voicing that voice.

  • KiIIosaurasX FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I am a left-leaning person. But at the same time I try to understand another person's viewpoint. I don't think conservative people should feel ashamed for their political beliefs. But I do think that racists should feel ashamed. There is a difference between the words 'conservative' and 'racist' and I feel like many people are just combining the two so that they are like interchangeable terms. Some Conservatives and Liberals will have strong feelings and reasons behind the way they think politically. But hatred toward an entire religion or race is unreasonable and not a valid point for being a certain political party. Liberals and Conservatives both have their extreme sides and these are the people that think all illegal immigrants are criminals or that having any border protection is inhumane. Both of these statements lack logic and reasoning. I think we need to learn how to have appropriate conversations between parties rather than just yelling and making unreasonable assumptions or name calling. I think a big factor in this clash of parties and the attacking of one another is due to the internet, but that conversation is for another time. 

  • Keenus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    To summarize this comment section..."I'm not about to get political here but, *Insert politically charged essay.*

  • Thillygooth FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I don't like to get political, but I can't help but agree with (the few) conservatives in the content creator industry and Hollywood.

    As Kovic put it, telling people to "just shut up" only goes in one direction, towards conservative or right wing people trying to voice opinion while progressives are applauded for their opinions. The fact of the matter is it is not okay for that double standard to exist as obviously as it does in those industries. If one opinion is celebrated while to other is shunned and potentially career ending, what happened to the guidelines that this country was built upon?

    I am not going to throw my hat into who I think was wrong or right in this situation, but a man shouldn't lose his lively-hood for an opinion that he is allowed to have just because a vocal group of individuals or a majority of his industry peers disagree with him.

    • EighthLegacy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      It's not that it's a double standard but the fact that when you compare the hardships both parties face theyre heavily one sided. i.e. conservitives did not have it has bad as the jewish community in 1930s Germany. That make sense? It's that type of comparison thats not okay. Doenst matter who makes it.

    • Thillygooth FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Well I wasn't talking specifically about Tim Allen's comment and agree that was pretty wrong and shitty for him to say, but Meryl Streep can stand on stage and talk shit about the President and be applauded while vocal conservatives in that industry tend to disappear. That is without a doubt a double standard.

  • MikeyMur FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Kovic quote

  • heftypanda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    In my opinion, this thing with Jontron (and all similar demagogues on both the right and left) is a symptom of the old phenomenon where those who feel like their convictions are suddenly being challenged or attacked will double down, rather than adjust their beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence or support.


    With the internet being so convenient, people who strongly disagree with something like Jontron's whole craziness can instantly fall back into their echo chamber and end up leaning more and more on their own side, until 90% of their communication with their opponents is a brick wall of aggression. From that comes the feedback loop that makes the Jontrons out there radicalize further and further.


    I think that trying to stay as neutral and respectful of both sides is important, no matter how crazy someone might seem. While I can totally sympathize with people who think that Funhaus' discussion didn't go deep enough, I think that they did what was necessary to avoid accidentally whipping out their own political dicks and slapping them down on camera, or alienating someone over an issue that has nothing to do with their content. 


    Kudos to the dudes (and dudette) for staying at least somewhat reserved when it is so easy to throw a ton of shade at Jontrons flawed arguments. It really bums me out to see discussions and commentaries about this shit-storm devolve into using words like "despicable," "degenerate," "deplorable," or "retarded" to describe a large and diverse group of people or their convictions, without understanding why they have come to those conclusions in the first place.


    If we refuse to acknowledge that the other side of a debate like this are people just like us, then we will never get anything productive done. Everyone is biased towards their own sides, no one will ever have anything new to say about racism, and sometimes it is best just to forget when someone gets out their proverbial dick in public. That is just real life.


  • OroJacksonIII FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Ignorance must be bliss.... 

  • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I appreciate Funhaus tackling difficult topics like this, but it seems they never take the discussion beyond the basic arguments I've heard a thousand times already. That's just me though, maybe other viewers get more out if it.

  • ajpantuso FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    It feels like the spirit behind new media is based in having individual personalities that can satisfy niche markets and explore cultural diversity that corporate media couldn't by the inherent constraints built into mass media/viewership. If this is an accurate assessment then it only makes sense that new media personalities feel free to share their political views, social views, religious views etc. or not share them if they so choose. I think what happened with Jon is a good thing because it brought the discussion of nationalism/ethnocentrism to a place where people actually have to hear contrary viewpoints. That being said there is much conflation and misuse of terms when these things come up. Racism is a part of American culture and it takes conscience effort and analysis to dispel oneself of racist thought. So much in fact that I don't think any person can claim to be free of it. People on both sides of the political spectrum use race for different goals whether as a scapegoat to obscure deeper systemic issues or to appeal to minority groups that are ultimately abandoned when they ask for real change. As far as I could tell Jon's statements were very surface level politically commentary, Destiny nailed him for it, and media outlets made their own superficial remarks to appeal to people who like Jon have a pretty casual relationship to politics. My hope is that through discussion and debate people start really questioning their beliefs and begin to make distinctions between terms like liberal/conservative, left/right, multi-culturalism/cultural-imperialism, and so on...

  • Shelboid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I have always admired your ability to take a total shit-storm and put it into perspective without involving, for the most part and as far as I can tell (I'm not super politically savvy), your political views - y'all are seriously the best devil's advocates I've ever seen. I never would have gotten the message "JonTron is an ignorant person who can be educated" from a place like Kotaku where instead they just throw him in the racism pit. He made a hard, throbbing, dick of himself, but that's it. Nothing special. Lots of people are dicks and we don't throw them in the fire. I don't think it's fair to run across an ignorant person and just say, "Wait, you're ignorant? BEGONE!" and push them in the ditch. You should talk them out of their hole and get them to move along with you, not tell them to fuck off.

  • Tristan_D FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    What the despicable alt-right believes is that culture and race are inseparable, they believe that western civilization is is directly tied to people of European decent. I believe that this is wrong, but I still don't think that humoring people who hate everything that western civilization is and I think bruce is wrong when he says that the whole point of the United States was to change culture over time through outside influences, in fact I believe that America has a very specific set of values and I'm all for anyone coming into the country as long as they do it legally and share the same values that we do no matter the race or religion. I was and still am in favor of a restriction on muslims entering the country right now, not because they're muslims but because most of the people who follow islam in the middle east do in fact despise my, our civilization as it is. As for Jon Tron, he said some pretty charged things and I don't really agree with everything he says but I think he's right on a few points, 50% of murder does come from the black community which makes up only 12% of the population, I don't think that's because they're black people I just think it's a result of people growing up in rough environments. I know many people will think that what I'm going to say next is crazy but I think that that's more due to the democratic party platform. I could go on like this for a long time, but I know most people here on this site are left leaning so I guess prepare for -1000 wtf

    • IrregularJohnny

      6 months ago

      Not really fair to say "most Muslims hate American values"


      A worryingly high number, yes. Most? No.

    • Tristan_D FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      The pew research forum claims to be not-partisan and it's just a survey cited in this video so. . .  


  • Robjec FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Maybe comments should be closed on videos like this, especially on the site. Its just so disappointing to see so many blatantly racist comments on Rooster Teeth :(

    • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Why would you want to discourage discussion? Is it better to stick your head in the sand and pretend everyone agrees with you? You can always walk away if it gets too heated for you.

    • Robjec FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      bashing people for their race isn't discussion :p

    • IrregularJohnny

      6 months ago

      Eh? Maybe things have been modded away, but I can only see 1 potentially racist comment.

      Everyone's incredibly well behaved.

    • Robjec FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Some got removed, some got pushed to the second page, and some is right below this, its still a problem, and if its not going to be seriously modded it shouldn't be left open :p

  • OroJacksonIII FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    It's hard to explain how it feels to hear that from a group I enjoyed. I feel like Adam as I listen now, but I'd have MUCH different (passive lol) reactions if I were in that damn room...

  • BaronVonRubles FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Discrimination and in particular racism definitely still exists in the western world. I'm Australian and I work for a supermarket chain where I overheard a conversation between a truck driver and several of our staff members where he bragged about hitting an aboriginal man with his car several years prior and getting away with it, despite being a few hundred metres from a cop at the time. They had quite a laugh about it. To think that the western world is past discrimination is beyond a joke and I cannot imagine the bubble that Jontron must live in to feel that way.

  • IrregularJohnny

    6 months ago

    Boy, there is quite a large middle-ground between women's march and white supremacy.


    I mean holy shit. You're either a white supremacist racially motivated mongoloid or you're marching for women (excluding convervative women of course) under the banner of someone who's pro-Sharia.


    The heinous amounts of fucking cringe from both of those options.

  • Squedex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I don't understand why Americans think their "freedom of speech" is so cool and unique. We have it over here in Britain and people have it mostly everywhere else in the world. The difference is we just don't bloody go on about it.

    • IrregularJohnny

      6 months ago

      We don't have freedom of speech in the UK, it's not a recognised legal right. A few years ago a guy nearly got thrown in prison for a joke he made on twitter.


      Right now there's a guy in court for making a nazi joke on youtube.


      America is actually one of the few nations that has freedom of speech enshrined in their constitutions.

    • mr-kab-uki FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      To be fair, we do have freedom of speech. But a lot of times people misconstrue that as saying whatever you want and being safe. As far as I know freedom of speech means that the government won't deny you're right to speak your thoughts or ideals in a public place. This DOES NOT mean that you are safe from the consequences that follow. For instance, you can tweet "Lol, I'm gonna assault a government official" and still have Secret Service breach your door and send you to jail. You can also say horribly racial slurs at work, but still be fired for because you violated that company's code of ethics.


      What needs to be understood in the United States is that your actions, regardless if they're free or not, will have consequences. Good or bad.

    • Squedex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      @mr-kab-uki exactly, this is what I mean. Americans still have the consequences of it, but for some reason act like they can say whatever they want as have some kind of immunity from this "right". 


      It definitely exists in other country's, hell, look at the Charlie Hebdo massacre, that was a direct result of freedom of speech. 


      It especially annoys me when people confuse freedom of speech for just straight up being a dick. Just because you have the right to say anything and everything, doesn't mean that you should.

    • MeanMisterWalrus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      You're simply wrong @Squedex. Here in the UK, you can get arrested for saying a plethora of things. Opinions that "are likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress" or expression that is "indecent or grossly offensive" can get you arrested. There was also something in the last year of so where the government here were pushing to ban various "obscene acts" in UK porn - one of the acts deemed too "obscene" was female ejaculation (I shit you not). In the US, none of these things are banned. So actually yes, their freedom of speech is cool and unique since it resembles what freedom of speech should be, and plus it's the first amendment of their Constitution. We do not have a constitution. Also, and forgive me if I'm mistaken, but implied in what you said in your response is this idea that Charlie Hebdo shouldn't have done what they did because it resulted in a terrorist attack. You're allowed to say whatever you want, and people are allowed to say anything they want in response, but if you say something and the "consequence" is someone punching you in the face, then the person doing the punching is at fault. Violence supersedes words in terms of immorality. With regards to Charlie Hebdo, they are free to publish anything they want, and if people dislike it they can ignore it, but if angry Islamist terrorists decide that the appropriate response to satire is to kill a load of people, the correct response isn't to shrug and say "Well...they kinda asked for it there. There are consequences". Condemnation should be directed at people who perpetrate violence, regardless if it was "instigated" by someone who said hateful words and opinions.  

      The reason why the secret service might kick your door down for saying you're going to attack the government is because it's indicative of a crime that might be committed. That's different. 

    • Squedex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      @MeanMisterWalrus, Americans are as restricted as we are in their freedom of speech though. They can still get arrested for using a racial/homophobic slur in front of a police man along with a bunch of other shit.


      And with regards to the Charlie Hebdo, yes, the people who killed those artists are scum and don't deserve life on this earth. But, what I was saying was, freedom of speech does not mean you should deliberately be offensive for the purpose of being offensive, which is what those artists were doing. If they made it satirical then that would have been fine. And I'm not saying the cartoon warranted the action of the twats who killed them, I'm just saying people shouldn't use freedom of speech as an excuse to be offensive. And maybe I'm butchering that point, and maybe Charlie Hebdo was a terrible example, but you must see what I mean? It's kind of a tricky issue to talk about without sounding like a dick really!

  • Squedex FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Man, spoilers for arrival  bruce

  • BABBS FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    In my mind the best way for America to move forward in regards to race, cultures, and changing demographics is for us to cultivate a sort of "meta-culture" as a nation.  I don't care at all about the particulars or your faith or cultural practices, provided all  parties consent to the activity, and you make no attempt to enforce your norms onto others through the law.  My ideal America provides plenty of room for people to identify with whatever sub-groups they choose, while simultaneously encouraging dialogue between said groups as well as a larger sense of shared humanity and community around those groups.


    In the past (and likely for the foreseeable future) there have been various groups who attempt enforce their own set of values onto society at large through mandate, not conversation.  We've had prohibition, the "moral majority," violent video game controversy, and many others.  Despite the inevitable friction, the diversity of opinion and subcultures in America is my favorite thing about this country.


    When it comes to immigration, I think we do a terrible job of helping new immigrants adjust to our society.  There are private institutions that do amazing work on this front, but it just seems callous to me to tell a new immigrant "well, you made it.  Good luck.  See ya."  I would love to see a government programmer of volunteer "host families,"  similar to an exchange student. Without living at their house, a new arrival could rely on their host family for a period of time for many thing from general questions about how things work to not feeling isolated and alone.


    There is, however, some real issues that need to be addressed.  Many people come to America from cultures that do not share core values like freedom of speech, gender equality, etc.  In most cases, that culture is relatively uniform across their country of origin, so I can imagine that it would be hard for me to smoothly transition to a country that has a more culturally diverse environment.  This is all made more complicated by the very real bigotry and discrimination some immigrants face on a daily basis.  How can you tell someone that it's not okay to force their beliefs on others when they experience the other side of that dynamic regularly.


    This is all a very round-about way to address the JonTron comments.  If I were to take the most favorable view, I would say that he is concerned about the clash of individuals entering the country who have views on society that are antithetical to core American values, which will likely have extreme negative consequences in the future.  In the most unfavorable view, JonTron is merely a racist who covers his true opinion in talking points and irrelevant stats.  The truth is almost certainly somewhere in the middle.

  • tjellis FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Why isn't Eylse hosting? Love Bruce, but I thought Eylse was L-Dogs back up?  

  • NextChamp FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    People like JonTron and PewDiePie pisses me off but for different reasons.


    For JonTron he came across as an ignorant racist and considering he's been spouting this shit for a while now I have no sympathy for the man. You aren't entitled to your opinion when it involves degrading an entire race of people or just spouting racist hate speech. This stuff he was babbling on Destiny's stream was shit "The_Donald" and other, white nationalism-centric sources. So if this means the end of his career then good. We need less of this bullshit warping the young audience JonTron and others seem to get.


    With PewDiePie I know the situation is different and lord knows he has his defenders on this from the industry to his fans. But what made me mad about this was that, even if it was taken out of context, he used racist rhetoric for "edgy" jokes. And then his "apology", like JonTron's, was totally half assed and I feel like he didn't learn anything from his situation. We can debate forever whether you think PewDiePie is totally innocent or whether he deserves the punishment he got. In my opinion he did, ESPECIALLY when his "apology" was basically an entire video on saying "fuck the media". We live in a culture where a lot of evil men/women are using that argument and I cannot stand by hearing that anymore.

  • TankEngineer FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    There is literally nothing wrong with racism as long as everybody is treated equally.

    • Greywarden1984 Music is Life...

      6 months ago

      When one door closes and another one opens it means you have poltergeists. Did you check if your house was built on a graveyard?

    • TankEngineer FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      nope, only indian burial grounds

    • EighthLegacy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      .. this is actually kinda funny. high five.

  • TheNobleWolf42 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold A guy w/o real problems

    6 months ago

    Fuck yeah, Bruce. Jazz is a proud American export (and by extension blues, R&B, rock n' roll, hip hop, and pop).

  • DanielCasey43 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I didn't sign up to funhaus to see dead people on the internet

  • Nick-ilicious141 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I'm a bit of a political junkie so it's always interesting for me to hear about RT and FH's views. 


    This is a country by immigrants, for immigrants. The English, Spanish, and French all came, killed or kicked out the natives, brought their slaves, and people of multiple cultures have moved here ever since. Each one of those cultures received some form of discrimination when coming here. Trying to stop immigration or limit it to the "people" that you like is completely hypocritical.


    No race is more likely to commit a crime than any other, the contributing factor is poverty. Families growing up poor, the parents have to work 2-3 jobs each, sometimes people take the easy way and steal or get into the drug business. Sometimes the frustration can lead to domestic abuse or murder. With any of this the kids probably barely see their parents and grow up lacking parentage. They try to look for jobs but the lack thereof makes them look for other options, like selling drugs. Then comes gangs and violence. There are so many factors, it boils down to much more than just what race you were born into. I could argue that most of the mass shootings over the last couple years have been done by white guys but I don't because it has nothing to do with their race.


    I can't believe I'm about to say this but some of it actually does come down to "white privilege" (and I hate the term) but some people still can't comprehend what that actually means. White privilege isn't something you sign up for and you get a check in the mail for the rest of your life. It's the chance that you might be less likely to be pulled over by the cops, less likely to be arrested, or even less likely to be shot. Or the chance that when you go to a job interview you might get hired over the black person who was interviewed before you. It's not some white conspiracy theory, but it's the fact that there are people who live in our society who still hold prejudices and those people hold positions over us, whether they be a cop, an employer, or a politician. And those people have the option of making things difficult, whether that be not hiring someone, depriving them and their family of income; or pulling someone over and throwing them in jail for years over something like having a blunt on their person, removing a parental figure from the family as well as income. Not to mention the difficulty of finding a job once you're out. 


    I'm with James, hopefully we get to the point where we're all just mixed. We'll still be dicks but at least we won't be dicks to each other over a skin color. 

    • JsseNlsn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      All right, here is the political rant I shouldn't make....


      First of all, I really appreciate how articulate and well thought out this comment is. This is how political discussion should be, not yelling at people that you disagree with. Everyone has the right to an opinion, like was mentioned in this podcast.


      I agree with a lot of your points. Especially the part about poverty and it's link to crime. A lot of people use stats about certain races committing crimes (like JonTron did, although he said something about a rich black man is more likely to commit a crime) and don't take into account that certain races fill large portions of certain classes, a carry over effect of past discrimination.


      Here is the "but..." that you could see coming.


      Now, going forward I need to point out that I am a Canadian straight white male. I am the poster child for "privilege". However I take issue with the term privilege. My issue with the term Privilege is that is implies what I "have" is a step above the norm, when in reality what I experience should be the norm. Everyone should have equal opportunity for work, guilty until proven guilty, etc. 


      I am not privileged, others are oppressed.


      I make this distinction, because (and I think this is what Bruce might have been touching on with how he thinks Jon was feeling) I find that the term "privileged" can be, and to certain people with extreme lines of thinking has been, weaponized. You see people of your similar belief, race, etc. getting attacked by a majority it does make you feel... Bad, I guess?I can't describe the feeling really, I don't feel scared or concerned of losing "ground" or "power" but I do feel a fear and/or paranoia of being roped in with the bad seeds in my race, which I can only assume is how other groups have felt as well.


      The term also kind of implies, at least the way I hear people use it, that I don't face discrimination. That's not true. My demographic is very often assumed to be racist, sexist, and every negative -ist in the book. That's not a great feeling. Many of online media sources I see portray white males as the ultimate villain when I as an individual think I'm a pretty rad dude. I mean I'm actually afraid to discuss things I perceive as discrimination or hurtful about my race, because the usual response is "I don't know what it actually feels like" and my opinions gets written off immediately.


      I also find that individuals can almost self segregate themselves in a way, like in the way that Elyse mention immigrants living in pockets of their own culture and in certain uses of citing Cultural Appropriation, shaming people from sharing in aspects of a culture. (Disclaimer: Appropriation is real, I'm not disclaiming that however I find sometimes it is absurdly accused) 


      If you want to become "one people", wouldn't cultures kind of have to take on aspects of each other?


      Back to my point, away from rambling. "Privileged" is a poor way to phrase the paradigm.


      It creates a "us vs them" narrative between races, as opposed to the truth that is "racists vs non-racists". 


      tl;dr


      Every individual person is a different person regardless of race, religion, etc. and creating Us vs Them terms will only end poorly.


      Just my two cents, I can kind of see what they were talking about when FH was saying about stuff building up before you decide to speak out, this was far larger than I originally imagined. 


      EDIT: Just scrolled forth down the comments, damn these political podcasts get some long ass comments. I love it!



    • Nick-ilicious141 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Good point JsseNlsn, that's a much better explanation of it. What we experience should be the norm. 


      As for what Elyse said, a lot of immigrants go to pockets when they first arrive but eventually they either move out or their children do, it just takes a while. Italians, Irish, and Germans aren't as condensed as they used to be.

  • 8bitdee my views are your own

    6 months ago

    On the topic of self-preservation, I'm Mexican, I'm dating a white American and the blowback I've received about that has been more from my own race than white people. Old acquaintances from school and even some family members (who consider themselves progressive) have accused me of being a "traitor" for sleeping with "the enemy."


    Racism goes both ways, and being colored sucks when you are stuck in the middle having to deal with two extreme sides.

  • Eunoshin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Not exactly sure who I can thank for it, BUT:


    I wanted to say that I really appreciate the fact that, although I can't watch the podcast live most of the time, I really enjoyed the fact that when I got home yesterday and tried looking around, the stream was already available to view as a FIRST member. Keep up the great work!

  • MoistDucks

    6 months ago

    oh no, didnt realize this was first week podcast, i feel like people who saw this podcast for first time maybe might've gotten the wrong impression of it 

  • ChaoticPKK FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Tony

    6 months ago

    Host-Bruce has sort of an NPR, Inside the Actors' Studio way of talking. Very chill. 10/10, would hear again.

  • CaitiC FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Not a fan of the political commentary episode even though the guy involved is a gaming youtuber.

  • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Thank God we have straight white males to tell us who's oppressed and who's not.


    (Note: this is directed at JonTron's McDonald's analogy, not anything the FH guys said on the matter. This is also sarcasm, which I have to say because this is the internet)

    • Cha_Lad FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Yeah Elyse should really check her male privilege. 

    • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      @Cha_Lad I specifically said this wasn't directed at FH. 

  • orkus

    6 months ago

    From Wikipedia "Race and crime in the United States", "Incarceration by race and ethnicity" table:

    (2010) Whites make up 64% of the population, black 13%. Whites are 39% of the incarcerated whilst blacks make up 40%. 

    There's literally 5 times less blacks than whites but their incarceration percentage is the same.


    From googling "fbi gov table 43a 2013"

    (2015) Total arrests: Whites 69%, blacks 28%. Murder: 45% W / 52% B; robbery: 42/56. 

    Blacks are doing more murder and robberies than whites despite being less than 50% of those arrested. Also, add into account that whites make up 72% and blacks 12% of total Americans, the stats should be even more obvious. 


    All in all, there is more than enough proof that blacks DO more crime compared to whites and the guy Jon was debating against is an idiot. 

    P.S. please stay away from political videos, they're always shit 

    • Saiful FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      You should watch the debate video before commenting like every clueless person who hasnt seen it.

      Just like you jontron kept hammering about how blacks commits more crime without thinking about why that is.


      il sum up a little info but you should google it urself for more indepth knowledge. And that reason is jim crow law which segrated blacks and white which formed black neighbourhoods, schools only for black people, every work place required people to submit a photo and if you we're black you're damn right your gonna get denied. Which in turn leads to economic, educational, and social disadvantages for black people. 


      It wasnt until 1965 that they started removing them and in 1971 they finally got rid of them all. Thats only 52 years ago, you see the remnant of it with the hoods and crime rate + poverty being high in those areas where black people were segregated. 


      Soo yeah blacks commit more crime and now you know why! dunno why jontron used this as a defence to make america a white nation and his endless rant about how the white demographic was going down and you need to preserve the white people so there isnt more colored people in usa ;) in all jontron should just stfu about his ideals since everyone will look at him like a white supremacist.


      Whats sad is that the destiny kept pointing this out to jontron, but jontron kept laughing it off.

    • orkus

      6 months ago

      US population: 1960 - 180M/ 1990 - 249M/ 2010 - 309M. Percentage of blacks: 10.6/ 12.1/ 12.6.

      Murder (in thousands): 8.5/24.7/14.7;

      Rape 17.2/109/84.8; 

      Assault: 154.3/1135.6/778.9; 

      Burglary: 912.1/3795.2/2159.9; 

      Vehicle Theft: 328.2/1661.7/737.142.


      Blacks did less crime when they were under segregation, when they were literally oppressed, than they did in 1990 and 2010. 


      By the way, (non-Hispanic) white demographic is going down, look at Wikipedia. It fell down by 20% in the last 50 years. Hell, it went down by almost 3% from 2010 to 2015. 

    • 8bitdee my views are your own

      6 months ago

      You're basing your argument on statistics alone without doing research as to why those statistics exist. Please educate yourself as to why colored people are more likely to get arrested and convicted of crimes. I'll give you a hint, the judicial system works against them. 


      I'll give you a small insight just to get you started: I'm Mexican, my best friend is white. We've been stopped by the cops plenty of times during our late night outings and I'm the only one who ever gets a)asked for my ID, b)asked what am I'm doing late out at night, c)asked if I've been drinking and on two different occasions one of them radio'd in the following: "I got someone here with a mustache" and one of them telling me straight up they stopped me because I "looked like a shifty individual" because I was wearing a hoodie. It was winter.


      Try and guess if my white best friend ever had to deal with that, while LITERALLY standing next to me during those cop interactions. 

    • honkysachmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Noah

      6 months ago

      The judicial system has been proven to be time and time again set up against minority groups within this country. When slavery was outlawed, thousands and thousands of african americans that were migrating, mind you, with nothing (they were slaves) got arrested just for being black and "loitering." That's just the start of how African Americans came to be supposedly "equal." That's before Jim Crow laws. Then there was the rise of the klu klux klan practically nation wide over the next fifty years (still alive and well today!). Legal segregation then goes into effect limiting an entire race of people to be a permanent lower class with clear disadvantages in a country run by the opposite skin color at the same time. To willfully ignore these facts when considering your data is to willfully be ignorant to the entire situation that black people face. If you cared to actually learn about any part of black culture and history you might start to develop a shred of empathy for a proven to be systematically oppressed people. Institutionalized racism is a myth? 

      huh...


      "The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story published Tuesday.
      "You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

      Ehrlichman's comment is the first time the war on drugs has been plainly characterized as a political assault designed to help Nixon win, and keep, the White House.


      TLDR if you enslave a group of people and then shit on them continually for a couple hundred years you can't just act like it didn't happen, and that a lot of the current population doesn't still support the marginalization of said people. Because they do. 

    • JeSo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      If the statistics show that black people are being arrested and incarcerated more often than white people, what should be taken away from that? Should the reasons behind that be investigated, with the goal of solving the problem and improving society for everyone?

    • orkus

      6 months ago

      8bitdee:

      Because Hispanics are more often a threat than whites. You can't blame the cops for doing what's statistically the best thing, they are just doing their job. 


      punishedknower:

      Read this, some sources are there but google others yourself, don't have the time for spoonfeeding. http://pastebin.com/f38M8uWs

      Blacks did pretty well before "the law" but once it ended, everything went batshit.  An animal attacks when feeling threatened, not when you set it free.

  • Socramismarcos FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    They are literally begging for Wall-Street Journal to do a bad story about them for the free publicity. 

  • RimmyTom FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RimmyTim

    6 months ago

    I get that it's a touchy topic, but you guys brought up the quote from JonTron "Rich blacks commit more crime than poor whites" and then discussed the context of him saying this, but you did not actually talk about the content of the comment.

    Here is a very interesting read about race and crime.
    https://randomcriticalanalysis.wordpress.com/2015/11/16/racial-differences-in-homicide-rates-are-poorly-explained-by-economics/

    I don't think we should assume that noticing trends is the same as disparaging all people within a group.

    I can say "More black people excel at running races" that doesn't mean an Asian man couldn't come first, It just means that it's statistically very likely that 2nd, 3rd, 4th... etc will be black.

    The rights of the individual should always be taken into account, but demographic trends are undeniable.

  • RimmyTom FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RimmyTim

    6 months ago

    Elyse made a good point, that population will effect crime and cultural stability. 

    But isn't that an argument for decreased immigration?

    • cvmann2020

      6 months ago

      Or is it an argument for less babies?

    • cvmann2020

      6 months ago

      Also a larger population isn't the only factor when it comes to crime. Honduras has the highest murder rate in the world with a population of about 8.9 million people where Sweden has a population of about 9.9 million people.

    • RimmyTom FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RimmyTim

      6 months ago

      cvmann2020 The average number of babies per family in all white countries is now bellow 2. Meaning we are declining in population. The immigrants from the middle east, africa and mexico, drastically out breed white people. It's population replacement, and inflation.

  • random_viktor FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I have two things about this episode:
    First, I like when more serious topics are the focus of the podcast (I'm one of those people who miss when Dude Soup was more about the current culture of games and the broader industry). As someone with a poli-sci degree, I think of political discourse as a way to deepen our understanding of one another. Bruce is totally right about Destiny: he brought Jontron on to destroy him, not further their understanding of their opinions and values.

    Second, if you're gonna talk about politically charged topics, I kinda wish it would be more definitive. I feel like the discussion has no where to go if you only scratch the surface of the issue. I found myself waiting for a discussion of why this idea of bad immigrants who "don't like America," and the implication of Jontron's views offended people, and maybe more about how people view gaming personalities and developers when their politics come out (thinking back to Palmer Lucky and the whole Nimble America thing). 


    All that being said, I understand Adam's analogy with the voice actor tweeting about hockey; it's 100% not the reason lots of people watch. I just found myself waiting for that itch to be scratched and it never quite got there. Still liked this episode though, and I can't wait till I finally have a Monday off so I can watch live again. 

    • blancpage FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold ModerateOccasionallyPoor

      6 months ago

      Ditto the political blue balls, but you've got to admire the craft behind making fence-sitting so entertaining. 

      It reminded me of going back and watching the episode of the West Wing where a kid gets beaten to death because he's gay, but the characters are kept from making too much of a fuss about dealing with hate (really old West Wing spoilers-ish):


      LEO
      Float it. Don't shove it down anyone's throat. I don't know which way we're gonna comedown on this one.

      C.J.
      They made him say 'Hail Mary's' as they beat him to death. This was a crime of entertainment.

      LEO
      C.J....

      C.J.
      Beyond the crime itself is a manifestation of racism, or sexism, or anti-Semitism or homophobia that are only a tip of the iceberg of the pathology troubling this country.

      LEO
      I'm aware of all that. I'm just not sure it's right to legislate against how someone thinks. A lot of people aren't sure, a lot of 'em work here and I'm telling ya' to dial it down

      Bruce nailed it, too. It's fear, and no matter how unsubstantiated, that fear is harmful. 


      Example - a conservative government was elected in the UK in 2010. Part of their election promise was to reduce net immigration. For good or ill they failed, but as part of the process they passed a number of restrictive changes to UK law regarding people choosing to live and work there. I'm just going to focus on one.

      In 2012, UK citizens wishing to have their non-EEA (European Economic Area) spouse live in the UK with them would have to be earning GBP 18,600. Note that this is if you are already married. If you already have kids, you need to earn an extra 2 grand per kid. The foreign spouse's income is not included. If you have high 5-figure savings you may use this to reduce the income threshold.

      41% of UK citizens do not meet that requirement, meaning they are too poor to afford permission to live with a foreign spouse TO WHOM THEY ARE ALREADY MARRIED. Over 50% of people outside London would have their spouse and kid deported. The majority of people affected were (in addition to foreigners): women, people under 25 and the children of those families affected. 

      There is no realistic avenue of appeal and applications must be made from outside the UK, taking 2-3 months. The cost of application is well over £1k and to be a citizen you'll be applying 4 times over 6 years.

      In order to appease people worried that brown people are diluting British culture, laws like this have been crafted that financially and emotionally ruin UK citizens and their families. Politically it's a success, despite failing both the campaign promised reduction in migration and failing to protect the right to a family life supposedly guaranteed by law.

      I say all this because, although the politics is complex and the reasoning is nuanced, people who throw a shit-fit that their country is being invaded (when the "invaders" are either looking for the best life possible or fleeing the worst with nothing) are victims of a very lucrative con and deserve the compassionate intervention of their peers.

  • Bennetas FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Elyse, nice chucks!

  • wasabimatrix22 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Elyse you have to tell us about that sweatshirt!!

  • DrDudeManJones FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Fuck this whole "don't get political" bullshit. Get political if you want. You see this shit happen all the time at AH every time Jack or Geoff make a Trump joke. People whine "durrr, don't get political guys,"  and "stick to comedy," and all that shit. It had gotten to point where Geoff said to those people "you're really surprised that Rooster Teeth is liberal?" It's that old internet problem where people dig into their own little corner of the internet where everyone agrees with their shitty beliefs. Except now they are projecting that bubble around other people. It's pathetic. God forbid you get your views challenged. God forbid your constructed, cartoon-esque perception of these internet personalities is shattered by a conflicting opinion. If a Funhaus fan is that goddamn sensitive, then they don't seem like a fan worth keeping around. 


    Some of what Jon said was genuinely shitty. He, at times, was putting down entire groups of people. Saying "I'm not a fan of Trump," or "I'm not a fan of Hillary" isn't gonna (or shouldn't) end your career. 

    • Bennetas FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      That's why I love watching Kinda Funny. Because you had Colin vs the other 4, but it never got in the way of their friendship. I would usually side with Colin. I am okay with RT, AH, FH or whomever talking about politics, race, and issues, but they need to know pushing certain views even if opinions will cause conflict in their fan base. Hopefully, they know this and thats why they are not constantly (as is posting entire videos about it) saying things, but I have stopped watching Off Topic, because Jack and Geoff just get way into it. I am not saying they need to stop. I am only saying they need to be informed on things rather than just make a joke that has very little context to get a quick laugh. Their jokes and statements do not challenge the way I think or anyone else and if it did then I might honestly respect their opinions more.



      (Never forget Jack doesn't know which animal represents which party, which basically means everything he is says is strictly his uninformed opinion)

    • DrDudeManJones FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Bennetas


      Sorry dude, you kind of just exemplified my problem. They aren't taking it too far. They are taking it too far for your taste. Unfortunately the level of being "informed" is actually pretty subjective. I know more about certain issues than you, and you probably know more about certain issues than me. There are probably issues that we are both informed about, but your "information" I might consider utter bullshit (and vice versa). 


      And even if they weren't informed...well, tough shit. We all live in a world where uninformed people are allowed a voice. There are times when that annoys the hell out of me, but we live in a society where heavy stock is put into opinions, so you gotta respect theirs in order to voice yours (or just yell loudly, which is what most people do).


      As for them not challenging your views...well, they did. If they didn't you wouldn't have ran away. And you sure as shit would not be bashing them now for their "uninformed" views. 


      Also, if we took the "uninformed" on both sides seriously, we'd probably have a different result to this election. 

  • ScorpoCross94 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I really like more serious topic dude soups like this. I realize why they wouldn't do it all the time, but it's nice when it happens.

  • SuperBadNinja FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I love that whenever there is a close-up of Adam saying something insightful, you can see the hand-stitched picture in the background that says "I wanna stick this pizza up your ass and eat it out."

  • aghostbro FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Does anyone else watch the podcast live and then again the next day? I honestly think I like Funhaus videos TOO much, I even make sure to rewatch some videos I've watched on the RT site on youtube so they can have my view on both platforms.

  • callmedoug FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    North American culture is immigration. Always has been and always will be! Its easy to forget almost all of us here and still early generations to this land mass

    • RimmyTom FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RimmyTim

      6 months ago

      The difference is that the settlers brought European style culture with them, and had lots of land to fill, so they were looking for more European people to fill the space.

      Immigration from Africa, Asia, and South America will drastically effect the culture of the land. People of different Ethnicities vote radically differently, so even if it's slow, eventually the fabric of America will change to represent to cultures of the immigrants.

    • 25zerotwo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      European style culture, what are you chatting about? You mean 'they are more like us' presumably.


      Although you have the latin 'romantics' (France, Spain, Portugal & Italy) beyond that Europe is a hodge podge of conflicting, frequently apposing and violent views, languages and cultures. In the last 60 years this has largely normalised, but your awareness / age or both, are vignetteing your view on the broader impact, typically beneficial, from immigration over the 10s of decades it has been happening.


      Sadly though a similar dementia has taken over many in Europe too, who have forgotten that the national identity they cling so desperately to, is actually a blend of those nations and cultures they now repel as 'foreign' and different.

    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      There has been racism in immigration beliefs from the beginning though. Ben Franklin tried to keep Germans from immigrating into America because he was convinced that they'd destroy America's culture.

  • compliKATIEd FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Destiny: "so you don't want people to immigrate and change the 'white European culture'. Okay, what if you had some brown people who moved here and perfectly assimilated and embraced the culture, why does it matter if they're white or brown?"
    Jontron: "it would be great if they assimilated...but then...eventually they'd enter the gene pool"
    • blancpage FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold ModerateOccasionallyPoor

      6 months ago

      *shudder*

    • TankEngineer FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Why is a quote being downboated?

    • compliKATIEd FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      the quote was being downvoted because its just.. terrible. I get it, and I didn't mind, the -Lame definitely seemed fitting as thats what I was thinking when I heard it.  :D

  • th3ff42 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    Hard nettin' went way too hard this week

  • biginer48 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    what adam was saying is what i think happen in attack on tittan human made titan to unite people

    • beedle246 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Don't be Cody Be Haggar

      6 months ago

      Or every alien invasion movie ever

  • StaceyStenger FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    the audio not synced for anyone else?

  • beedle246 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Don't be Cody Be Haggar

    6 months ago

    All that money and Jontron still has a neck beard

  • Niko_Eng FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    I really like Adam's shoes 

  • ZenLikeCalm FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    6 months ago

    We live in a world where everyone to the left of us are "SJW cucks", and everyone to the right of us are "alt-right Nazis".  Bipartisanship is the exception now.

    • cheltenham98 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      6 months ago

      Maybe, but I'm not entirely convinced of that. I'd agree that at least in the US (and by that metric most of what we see online), there's much less bipartisanship; however, I think the fact that these catch-all terms are seen so commonly is the internet's trend of filtering the most extreme views to the top (and bottom) in which case it begins to feel like the norm. It's sort of like how you'll never get "It's just alright" when you look at the first comments on game reviews. Perhaps it's something to do with the demographics of Youtube, or Reddit, or FH/RT corresponding with that outspokenness. 



      I'm probably biased, because I don't actually live in the US, but I feel like there's much more middle-ground for bipartisan discussion in real life. Whether that's simply my situation that allows for that sort of discussion (more bias in that I'm literally studying international relations) I think that bipartisanship by it's very nature isn't something that you 'push' in the same way that being more outspoken is. It's almost like all the recent talk of a 'silent majority' existing. People only tend to talk politics with people interested in talking politics (for obvious reasons) but when it comes down to it, I've found a lot of my friends are more bipartisan than I'd imagine If i'd compared them to the comments that their demographic (likes video games etc.) online make. 



      TL:DR - I think it's more the internet filtering extreme viewpoints to the top, and that people with more bi-partisan views might just not be as motivated to express those views as compared to politically outspoken people.