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  • JesseyDamien FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    OH jesus. They read my comment. I meant fuck you google translate not you guys. I guess I should have said that. Opps.

  • Shagrad FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Shagrad

    4 weeks ago

    Though I definitely agree with everyone on the generational stigma, however i would like to add that for every cool gamer dude there are 20 dudes that would love nothing more than to prove to a gamer gal, that they aren't real gamers. That they somehow suck at playing games or should get back in the kitchen. Female gamers are rare and some of the coolest people!

    • DontTellPike FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Test Subject

      4 weeks ago

      I think I have to disagree (not on the generational stigma), but on general lack of women playing games and dudes attitudes to women in gaming. Around 10 years ago, slightly less, I would agree. on Xbox live it would be uncommon to talk with a girl in match making. And they would get hounded while playing games. But only if they used voice chat. They were always there, but didn't talk.

      Also the guys attitude to women playing games are more likely due to the type of game played. 

      COD was probably the biggest suspect, with COD 4, WaW and MW2, it was kind of a boys club but more importantly the age range was like 11 - 20.


      There have been academic studies done that show nowadays it's very close to 50/50 representation of players. since now gaming has largely become the mainstream and is now normal for everyone to play. 

      But they've always been there, you just don't know they've been there, because if someone doesn't talk, you have no real way of knowing who they are. 

      It's just now, there is less of a stigma/less likely to get hounded online while playing games if a woman does speak online. + I just think the gaming community has grown up a bit (or maybe just the games I play have changed).


  • Dr_Wondertainment FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Hey, I'm the FHTV Wiki administrator, awesome to see you guys actually acknowledge it. I was kind of hoping that it would be submitted into Hard Netting, but I'll take what I can get.

  • eagleant13 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Regarding women in the Overwatch League, I found this article on Kotaku interesting (https://goo.gl/hDxZH6). It's about Geguri, who the author considers the most accomplished and well known female Overwatch player, and how she was not signed to an Overwatch League team. The article contains lots of quotes from players and team officials. I found it interesting that the teams seemed to think Geguri is good enough to play in the league and even considered signing her, but had lots of excuses for why they didn't (language barrier, housing issues, media perception, team chemistry). Seems like the teams bent over backwards not to sign this player, and then felt they had to justify that decision.

  • Insanefoo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    The only thing I want to add about people being "upset" that they can't see the Tiberius Method is its relative inaccessibility. There are plenty of DJs, for example, that I don't get to see because I don't live in easy driving distance to a major city, but I don't expect to get to see even 5% of the shows they do. With Funhaus (or other online creators) it can be jarring to go from having access to 100% of their content to missing out on something because geography suddenly matters. I don't blame them for it, I hope it works well enough to come close enough for me to see it, but it still sucks.

  • MTGknifer FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold HeroOfTheStorm

    4 weeks ago

    I feel bad for Adam starting off on Starcraft for esports. Even as a Blizzard fan boi (which I am), SC2 is a really dense viewing experience.

  • MC-Dougall FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Cheers for the answer Lawrence, I'll need to dust off my twitter then.

    Should point out there wasn't an intentional subtext of 'how do i tell if Dude Soup will be good this week?', watch religiously regardless. I'm just interested to tune in live for casts which I could contribute to the discussion.

  • TheOzymandiass FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    In my life most girls who play games, who are both smarter and better at me, don't feel a sense of accomplishments from their victories as, per se, me and my guy friends. That diminished return of "investment" (the playing of the game) I see in female players is both due to social stigma behind playing video games and just the continued existence of "boy activities" and "girl activities". I still remember when my mom, who is a writer and a feminist, was shocked for weeks after finding out that a close girl friend of mine plays videogames with me. ALSO, the same girl was called slut in my school because other girls thought she's playing videogames just to get close to boys. Sooooo yeah, what Elysee said. That was just an arduously long anecdote to agree with Elyse. 


    But it's totally because of the transferred conventions of the old generations. I can definitely imagine the girls who actually play OW religiously feel kinda weird and abnormal because of their hobby and so forgo the chance of playing as a pro. Hopefully, the next generation will fix the wrongs of the past. Very daunting but I think little by little we could move past these ridiculous conventions and "traditions". 

    • sakurastar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      I would also add, as a woman who likes to play a wide variety of games, whenever I'm playing alongside other people or online multiplayer (if they know I'm female), if I am one of the only or THE only woman there I feel an immense pressure to do well and feel like everyone is judging me in particular for how I'm doing which isn't fun. Like they're trying to catch you out as a fake gamer or something you know? I'm quite a competitive person but that extra level of pressure makes me unbelievably nervous and uncomfortable even if I'm winning so it's possible that puts some other women off as well. You can see this focus on how well women are playing compared to the guys in RT videos in the comments sections both on the RT site and youtube, for example with Lindsay often the AH guys will be playing a game where Geoff or Gavin are doing badly and there will be jokes in the comments and some negative things said but if it's Lindsay who's doing poorly there seems be a huge amount of negative comments about her saying things like, "why is she even in this video?", "she's awful at video games," etc. and often very personal insults about her that the guys just don't seem to get. I've seen this with Funhaus with Elyse as well and I can imagine it puts a certain amount of pressure on her to do well but of course I can't speak on either of these ladies behalfs. For me personally though it definitely puts me off competitive gaming and I often stick to single player games where I don't have to worry about people judging me. 

  • CashBanks FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    "mousing surface" XD

  • adamkinected FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

  • Decrozi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Anime fan

    4 weeks ago

    The version of the phrase that Lawrence would understand is: anime on the streets, hentai in the sheets.

  • cstrat FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    i definitely got the aots logo right away. please put that on a shirt!!

  • Yerjerbs FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I really liked that Elyse immediately redirected to the myriad of sociological ties and hurdles that need to be addressed with this esports progression.  It's easy, especially for women to nod the head and speak platitudes on the issue, but to actually recognize how stigmas are fundamentally received on a societal and personal level.  The stigma in the case of OWL appears diminished, and now is a suitable canvas to make the change.  The challenge is now approach and subtlety in volatile territory, along with getting women acclimated and receptive to being acknowledged in these landscapes.  Volatile being an understatement, where one hotheaded streamer can overtake the fame of the league itself. I like to think that this inhibition on the side of team managers and organizations exists out of respect for this process, and not the same old.

  • ALLKILL56 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I'm glad y'all liked Exton. I'm from around that area!

    • oh_bother FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Positive PA comments for once! I'm used to people talking about rowdy sports fans. 

  • pfweaver FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    Elyse is makes a good point, the ESports issue is going to age out. Cultures take time to change but the internet is speeding that up dramatically. There are people interested in making the gaming world more inclusive but a lot of people probably don't think about it. I doubt that there are many people actively working to exclude woman, its most likely due to a subtle bias that a lot of people have developed. If you grew up never/rarely seeing women play games then your brain makes that connection, "women don't play games". It's most likely not a realized idea but just a vague understanding or notion, the brain makes other leaps, "Well if women don't play games then they are probably bad at them or don't like them" Again, these are not deliberate thoughts and they're not isolated to men. This is just the way the brain understands its environment, experience fluidly turns into our framework for understanding the world. Once this generation grows up seeing more women in gaming then they'll have less of that mental framework that believes that women don't play games. 


    Give it some time and be encouraging.

  • nebbyb FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    In reference to the Overwatch outrage, the same thing has been observed in Chess for centuries, and in that game the divide is so large than there is a seperate Chess championship for Women players. Whether this is due to social factors or differences in male/female psychological traits is difficult to answer. 

  • bunchmox20 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    I feel like it could be that most women gamers don't put as much time into the game as those male players. Most pro OW players I've seen will stream at least 7 hours a day everyday. I hope that's the reason and not that there are women up in those circles who aren't getting their fair chance. 

  • PixelProblems FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    In reference to the overwatch discussion I have a suggestion for the box.


    Recently on esports ejects you guys point out the frustration and cons of only having a 4 man team with 2 randos. One way you guys could make EE more fun and accessible for the audience and have a 5 person team and maybe even in a way help encourage some people. Get a fifth who has already been well received on FH in the past, has the skills to pay the bills and doesn't need improv synergy since EE isn't a bit show. 


    Anne, I'm talking about Anne, get Anne a fucking jersey. 

    Improve the show, improve the team, improve yall's W/L. 

  • donevillena FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

    Regarding the esports women thing, I've seen that lackness with another similar field which I follow; formula one. It's similar to the esports idea that gender shouldnt affect the competitiveness of the sport since theres a layer of separation in it. Being female shouldnt matter as long as they can drive the car in a competitive level but, still, there's only one record ever of a woman achieving a score-winning finish in F1. 


    It baffles me and I think that Elyse is right. When young women are in a position to enter these sports competitively, they arent shown that it is a viable option for their future. People always talk about the value of representation in media and this is why. Young women have been programmed, albeit unconciously, by society that only men can enter these sports. These young women arent shown a version of reality where they can be a part of what they are truly good at. 


    I really do hope that future generations can fully shed that stigma and we can finally watch the absolute best people compete with each other in their craft: whether that's driving hella fast or pew pewing in a videogame.

    • Swible FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 month ago

      It's also very common in STEM majors. Not only is intelligence gender neutral, if anything it leans in favor of women (darn testosterone making us kill ourselves in the pursuit of Darwin Awards), but women are still vacant in these positions. It is well documented that people will hire men over women who have the SAME resume ( http://www.yalescientific.org/2013/02/john-vs-jennifer-a-battle-of-the-sexes/ ) and people STILL do it in the scientific community.


      Pro gaming is just not a welcoming place for women in gaming. Anecdotal but my girlfriend can't play competitive Overwatch without getting the worst possible things screamed at her solely for being a woman. So she is relegated to quickplay and arcade with our friends.

  • wadavhoah FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 month ago

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