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  • PeteSchweddy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    Isn't writing considered a form of art, a form of creative expression? Therefore featuring fan fiction on a show designated for fan art is appropriate.

  • Osranger FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    I want fanfiction about Illinois James

  • rustedblake FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    I feel that the issue is, when fan fiction gets exposed to the whole audience and not just the subset that enjoys that sort of thing, the nature of the criticism changes completely. People are no longer commenting on the creative work, they're attacking the author because they've produced it. Lawrence mentioned that it takes a lot to recognise your failures and improve on them, but the nature of the criticism gained by elevating fanfiction doesn't lend itself to that. People aren't commenting to say things like "The way you've written James isn't believable." They'll write "You're a disgusting human, why would you write about real people." Which doesn't really help with any sort of growth as an artist. There's nowhere to go from there, other than to stop writing completely.

    The Rooster Teeth fanfic community as a whole is pretty good at respecting decisions when it comes to fic, and generally, if someone has asked not to be included, people won't write about them. So whilst (I think?) most if not all of you at Funhaus are okay with having stories written about you, not all of your audience is on the same page. Despite the fact authors have been given permission by personalities to use their likeness in fanfiction, writers will still be attacked for writing about real people. Not because their work is flawed in any way, but because they are seen as weird or gross for writing fic in the first place.

    Granted, these attacks don't come often, because if shipping or fanfiction makes a viewer uncomfortable, they'll just avoid it. The subset of the community which reads and writes fic keep to themselves and try to stop their work from being seen by those who don't want to see it. They don't need to write things and keep it on their computers, because they already have ways to share it with people who want to read their work and keeping it within that circle. That's not really the issue here.

    The problem is that putting fics on a show like this would open authors up to non constructive criticism from fans who feel the need to defend you (Funhaus) from "creepy weirdos" who are wrong for writing fanfiction about you. Of course, not everyone will be as hurt by these attacks, but Lawrence is right in that it can really deter some people from sharing their creative works if they put it out there and it gets shit on just because it exists. Those with a thicker skin might be fine with you guys showcasing and discussing their works, so if that was something you wanted to do on this show, authors could specify that they are okay with it being on that elevated platform. Other than that, I think most fanfic writers have come to accept by this point that they probably won't get the same praise as people who make visual art, at least not from the people they're writing about. The fact that you're even addressing this issue and being so understanding towards fic writers is more than a lot of authors are used to. So thanks for being so cool about it in the first place!

    • SirLarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      10 months ago

      Makes total sense, thank you for explaining all angles!

  • heathercat FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    When it comes to fanfiction writers usually aren't concerned about getting hate from random trolls on the internet. A majority of fic is posted on websites like Archive of Our Own, a website made by fans for fans to share fanworks. Even if someone does post hate there, it's easy to delete the comment on your story and focus on the positive feedback. Fanfiction really isn't intended to be seen by the people it is about, whether it is real people like in FH or the actors who portray the characters. When the people represented in fanfiction shit on it, it's not like someone just left a mean comment because they're completely missing the point of it. Most personalities are not as connected to their audience as you guys are, and will find the fact that someone wrote fanfic about them completely disgusting. Fanfic used to have a very niche audience, but as it's grown in popularity it's getting harder for actors and other personalities to ignore it, when really it isn't meant to be seen by them at all. I recognize the double standard that fanart can be seen by the people it depicts but not fanfic, but I think that's because most fanart is posted publicly on Twitter and Tumblr, not on places that are only devoted to fans.

  • GSG9Enigma FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    I just want to say that as much as I love funhaus ah and rooster teeth I don't watch every video that u all put out.

    I know it not good for u guys as u may not get enough views to support a show u like or want to keep making but I think that to keep myself from burning out on the amazing content u make I watch 1 or 2 videos a day if I have a day off work or away from my wife and son then I will go back and watch some of the older videos u all have done.

    Keep up the good work and I know u guy can stay fresh and relevant and I'm looking forward to the day that I can show my son the great content u guys make

    • SirLarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      10 months ago

      Thank you!

  • powfuldragon FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    Peepee or doodoo?

  • mlkoegel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Matt

    10 months ago

    Bruce, please, please, please do a separate video/podcast sharing your thesis on staying relevant on youtube and other content platforms. I know something like that might not get a ton of views, but I think it is incredibly interesting and that there is a market for it. I personally will create a bunch of different youtube accounts and watch the video over and over to help out!

    • MacroMac FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      10 months ago

      It's pretty clear that what he wants to say (from what I can see) is that media entertainment is finding a new home. It's the new hotness, so to speak. James summed it up pretty well, but the intricacies in production are what Bruce could speak volumes about. I would love to hear what he has to say about the direction that entertainment is taking.


      However, I would say that we all are proof of concept in that endeavor. We are paying (or not) to see videos on a third-party website based on our proclivity to seek and devour content that we truly enjoy. I, personally, have been a fan of Funhaus since they... weren't. I've watched almost every video that they have put out since around 2013 or so. It's the only reason I got into RT, and I would say that I owe them a shiny silver dollar for helping me find more media that I must consume.


      I think that, more than anything, would be Bruce's point in said dedicated podcast. Entertainment is changing at a fundamental level. Fullscreen sees that, and is building a new media empire. Kudos to them for the foresight. This site will be getting my money for years to come.

  • Ol-Weezy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    still can't hear omar....sad face

  • YodatheHobbit FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    I'm genuinely surprised Bruce doesn't think he fits with Mikey's personality. Both laid back super friendly dudes whom effortlessly excel without trying but are also too goofy and immature to reach their full potential as master ninjas.

  • kenezbian FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    It's frustrating to me to hear that the reason you (Funhaus) don't like fanfiction is because the writer's interpretation of you is incorrect. Not all fanart is perfectly proportional or representative; in fact I can think of a number of times when you've spoken out and said "haha I don't even look like that!" Yet you take the time to thank the artists for making this art and sharing it online. The same amount of work goes into a piece of writing, whether you believe that or not, and it's doing a disservice to tell us to "keep it on our computers."


    Artists don't make art to hoard and look at on their own time, they make it to share with the community, to feel involved, to participate. Writers are the same way - this is our talent, and we choose to share it. I can write and I like to look at art. I know several artists who can't write but like to read. There are other people out there who cannot do either, but they leave comments and share the art and stories for others to enjoy. To hear that you think fanfiction should be locked away for only the writer to read is unfair. This is how we participate with your other fans, and that shouldn't make us less important!


    Fanfiction is crucial to young writers in the same way fanart is important to young artists - it helps them develop their craft. To praise one and strike down the other is detrimental. You've told us often enough that if we don't like your content then don't watch it, and that can go both ways. If you don't like the content we write, don't go looking for it. We use separate tagging systems and websites for that exact reason.


    We choose to write about you for the same reasons the artists choose to draw you. Please keep that in mind.

    • musicisum405 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Huntress

      10 months ago

      I don't think they were implying that fanfiction should be "locked away" for only the writer to read. I actually don't recall them saying anything remotely close to that. In fact, Lawrence suggested that he was as frustrated with the general stigma surrounding fanfic as the writers, and seemed interested in sharing fanfic. What they were suggesting was that fanfic writers shouldn't share their stories if they aren't comfortable with it being scrutinized--which makes sense. The internet is full of jerks who would jump at the chance to shit all over your work, so sharing something that important to you online requires a thick skin and the ability to laugh at yourself alongside them.

      Also, you might have misinterpreted what they were talking about when they mentioned that most fanfiction is an inaccurate portrayal of them. They didn't say they disliked fanfic for that reason; they seemed to be using that as an example for why reading fanfic about themselves may be sort of surreal or even awkward for them... at least, that's what I gathered from that.

      Nowhere in here did I note them saying anything about disliking fanfiction, and Lawrence, notably, didn't belie any negativity regarding fanfiction. You might have been projecting your own frustrations about others' perspectives on fanfiction, such that you heard their words in a negative light.

    • yesterdaydances FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold D A Y 5

      10 months ago

      Thank you for putting the words i want to say on here, because im just so fucking tired of them shitting on fanwriters every chance they get.

    • calpine FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold CALQL8ING

      10 months ago

      I think that the important thing to acknowledge from what they were talking about is essentially if you publish a piece of work (such as art, video, writing, film, game, etc...) and you do it in a way that is made public then you are putting yourself out there.
      I think personally that it takes a lot to publish anything, recently started writing for my University Newspaper, and having your name and some way to contact you on there makes it your own and personal.

      However that does come from the risk of criticism and if you want to put yourself out there, Try not to get bogged down in the hate. My first story I wrote I got laughed at by the editor so I went back and forth with them and made it way better than I could've made on my own. Now I can write better, not the best by any means, but I'm happy and proud to have my name on it.
      Just recognise that if you put your name on it and publish it anywhere, even to sites specifically designated for that, that anyone can read and comment and you need to be okay with your own content first.
      Hope this helps.

    • aMomoshark

      10 months ago

      As a writer (though not of fanfiction), I get very uncomfortable when people write about real people opposed to characters, because they are real people. If they were just fictional characters, it'd be fair play, but I entirely understand Funhaus' discomfort with it; I wouldn't feel comfortable with it either, but if people were to write fanfiction of my original characters, then that's something entirely different. I suppose I cannot speak for the majority of people out there, but I'm sure many others would feel uncomfortable about it as well — it's even worse when these things are shoved into your face and you have to actively deal with them (as has happened before in the past, maybe not specifically to Funhaus, but it happens way too often), and it's... like, can we maybe not? It's respect of a person, their lives, and their privacy.

    • MacroMac FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      10 months ago

      I agree with kenezbian, but only to the degree that art is to be shared. It's not fair to compare fanart and fanfic because they are fundamentally different platforms for the same artistic wellspring. I agree that sharing fic is a great way to learn more about your own style from people that are also trying to find their own style, but visual art stands alone. It can be subjectively good or bad in a way that writing cannot.


      From where I stand, the difference between fan art and fiction is a quick view = appreciation or derision vs. a good long read = universal derision. I spent time writing, a long time ago, and my first story was written as a fanfic before that was even a term. I only showed it to my girlfriend, and she laughed at me, broke up with me, and told quite a few people about it. So I may agree on the general thrust of the point, but not to say that there is not a point to sharing. Growth has to come from somewhere.


      Everyone in this thread has a good point. I would like to take a moment to remind us all that a good point does not a good argument make. Writing is fundamentally different from visual artistry, and all those people that hate your fiction (be it based on real people, pre-made fictional characters, or whole cloth newbies) only matter as much as you let them. Criticism is always brutal, but, still, usually healthy.

      Use it.

  • EvrythngCndn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Captain of the Damned

    10 months ago

    Thank you for having my comment. And yes it's EverythingCanadian.


    Fanfiction is for people who like to read it, for the people who seek it out to enjoy it. And it is not supposed to be like 50 shades of grey where people make fun of it for the sake of making fun of it.


    The people who write fanfiction can be miles apart so having a little cult of people to pass manuscripts of fiction around is not happening. There is also the fact that there will be people after us who want to read it. Not to mention the people who can't write, like those who can't do art, who enjoy reading a fantasy of sorts that is never meant to convey real life.


    I don't write it for myself thank you I write so people like myself can enjoy it.

    Thank you.

  • HKishel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    I would love to hear your thoughts about your celebrity. As soon as Bruce said he could talk for an hour or more on it, I wanted you to make it.


    Someday I would love to interview all of you and write a tell all book about Funhaus and Rooster Teeth.



    • heftypanda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      10 months ago

      Exactly. After what they DID give as an answer to my question, I can't wait to read Bruce's memoirs of his time as a big fancy celeb on the internet.

  • ajpantuso FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    Thanks for addressing my comment in a thoroughly underwhelmed and uninterested way. Brought me back to the soul-crushing indifference of the internet from my youth. All joking aside, how do you feel about gigs like roosterteeth streaming at E3 in regards to your relationship with the games industry(a.k.a the fucking man, dude)? I remember being impressed by the last E3 stream where I thought everyone kept their personalities intact without toning down language or content.

  • EpleptkRobot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    Any chance on Elyse joining some Dude Soup podcasts? She is super funny and I don't think Tyrone would mind giving up his chair.

  • Lackyducks FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    10 months ago

    Thanks for addressing my comment in a really chill way (especially Lawrence, you're great. Thanks for being understanding.) Sorry for going off with it, but I'm glad you were able to take stuff from it!