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  • Kaelse FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    It's important to remember that college isn't the only option. I've been in a part-time degree program for 4 years, and the only thing I've really learned is that I hate everything about the potential jobs. I started the program because of pressure from my very middle-class family and friends.


    Lots of millennials forget that experienced mechanics and plumbers make an average of $70,000 annually, which for most people is plenty. These jobs are in high demand, can't easily be automated, and require very little initial schooling. Canada provides tax incentives for apprenticeships, I'm sure many states do as well.

  • Sneum FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I really enjoyed the last part about failing and getting back up again.

    Yesterday I was 'let go' from my new job after only 2½ month, because of reasons I won't bore you with.
    I failed even though I was working hard. This is just how life is and stuff like this happens sometimes to all of us, but hell no am I gonna just lay down and give up because of it.

    Anyways - Thank you guys for another good episode :)

  • ALOTT FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    When the discussion of your process for editing a video was talking place, I began to wonder what it takes to get hired for an internet production company,the Rooter Teeths and the Funhausssss (?) of the world. I feel like I have done the right things, gotten some paid video/editing gigs under my belt, built a website to show off the work that I have done, done freelance work, even steady full time editing jobs, etc.


    But I feel like the biggest thing holding me back is my physical location and who I know. I totally understand that 99.999% of the time it really is who you know. But there has to be more than that, right? Is there hope for someone who doesn't know anyone in the industry? What other advise should a person take that is in the intermediate phase of the ladder climb, someone who has experience in shooting, editing, writing, producing etc. but is looking to get their foot in the door for the next thing. Is the answer simply to move where the industry is?

  • DanielCasey43 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    This is to all the Frank Grimes in this world, everyone will laugh at your funeral, deal with it.

  • ryan__mac FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I would love to get your guys advice on how to get a job in your industry. As someone who like video editing and sound design i find it hard to find a job because of my "lack" of work experience. I went to school for both video editing and sound design but without having 10+ years of work experience almost no places i apply to will hire me without the "experience". Though they all seem to say that they can use interns ... which is nice ... but getting paid for work is always a plus. i have the knowledge and capability to do what they need but no company can seem to look past the lack of work experience, so what would your advice be?


    Thank you

    • Kaelse FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I think the advice they've been giving is generally just "start doing it". Companies ask for experience because practice tends to improve performance, but experience is less of an issue when you can show a hiring manager that you are objectively better than the other candidates.


      If you have a portfolio of your work that shows you are better than experienced candidates, show it during an interview and they'll think highly of you. If you don't have a portfolio, make one. If you can't make one, then practice until you can.

  • FishyFox

    1 year ago

    I hear people say the Funhaus guys look like Hitler or something, but I just can Nazi it.

  • themagicpyro FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    So I heard you were looking for millenial trash... Well have I got a deal for you!

  • TheRTV FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Round Peg in Square Hole

    1 year ago

    I really love how articulate yall are. Everything from hearing James or Lawrence analyze nerd culture to Peake's RT journal is a real delight for me. It's the one thing I didn't expect when I started watching Funhaus, but it's definitely why I stay tuned in!

  • stormlily FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Hearing about the shitty US education system and what Lawrence had to do get through college makes me really grateful that I was born in Scotland. I'm going to university for free and I can rely on my parents to cover some costs (mainly travel) until I get a job. Because of this, I will be able to finish uni without having any debt. Compared to other peoples' experiences, I'm really fucking lucky. My parents didn't have this opportunity. They both left school at 16 and didn't go to uni, so they had to work their asses off to get to the position that they are now. So to people saying that older generations "had it easier", they didn't. No generation had it easy. Each one has its own challenges. But we find ways to overcome these barriers. So as Lawrence said, make the most of the opportunities that are available to you, cause I sure as hell am.


    tl;dr Life sucks. Everyone's life before yours sucked, and everyone's life after yours will suck too, so it's not just you.

    • TheRTV FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Round Peg in Square Hole

      1 year ago

      I'm with you on your latter point. My parents came from the Philippines to America with only a little bit of education. Not only did they have to adapt to a new culture and work extremely hard, they also had to raise American teenagers (me and my brother) LoL. I was able to have the middle class, American lifestyle and still stay close to my roots. My parent's may not have been able to pay for my tuition, but they never shy'd away from telling me about all their debt. I never forgot that. Now I can support my own middle class life style and balance paying off my student loans. My parents are retired happily in the Philippines and I've afforded to travel domestically and overseas in the 5 years on my own. I've partied, skydived, gamed, and generally nerded out. I may have to live on a very tight budget, but i'm not buried under debt. My student loans are literally the only debt I have. My credit score is amazing and aside from my apartment that I rent, I fully own everything I have (not leased or rent to own).


      Basically your situation, good or bad or in between, is your own fault. There's plenty of opportunity, you just have to work hard. You may have to take whatever you can get at first, but if you continue to progress, it can get better.

    • VeryPlite Medli the Earth Sage

      1 year ago

      It goes back to what Lawrence said, it's not about finding yourself in a good system suited for your success. It's about adapting and moving forward. As someone who lives in America I have seen people work hard, I mean really hard. I don't think I could work that hard, and I've seen these people be rich and I've seen them be poor. But they make do, they eat three meals a day, their kids are in school. And I see people who just complain about the system not working properly, and they complain, and they decide it's easier to give up on working hard when they can pretend to make change. The people I know who don't go to college as a statement or people who make these anti-establishment statements in general aren't making change. Those people who work hard, really hard, those people make changes. Sometimes those people had "the system" lined up for them, and other clawed to make a person of themselves.


      In the end it is less about what hand outs we re given and more about how we decide to move forward.

  • Ahnahleesah FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I loved S Club 7 back in the day.

  • MoMisteries

    1 year ago

    The Fan Show comments - the place where people can vie for the honor of being in the next fan show by spending too much time typing out long comments that can be expressed in a few sentences.

    • fh_eve FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Except expressing comments in a few words more often than not leads to them misunderstanding what the point is and then arguing against it with no need. The guys talk extensively about the comments so why shouldn't people leave extensive comments if that's what they need to do to make sure they're understood?


      Also, sometimes people aren't confident in what they're saying so leaving a longer comment might make them more comfortable that they've come across in the right way.


      and a TL;DR for you: stop ridiculing people for writing their thoughts the way they want to.

    • VeryPlite Medli the Earth Sage

      1 year ago

      No people leave big comments because the people who watch this show are people who like articulated discussions. So big comments tend to get big comment responses, leading to a conversation with some substance.

  • andyjdan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold a human

    1 year ago

    I feel like almost all of the comments on this video need a TL:DR.

  • cmitts93 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Gay Robot

    1 year ago

    Usually I don't leave comments because I'm not the most eloquent of people when it comes to putting what I'm thinking into writing but since I'm a millennial currently enrolled in college I figured I'd give my two cents (that nobody asked for) and hopefully somebody is helped by them.


    Growing up in a very middle-class home, we never, "had it rough," or anything of the sort but my family's never had much spare money floating around and as the oldest of six kids, my dad made it very clear from a young age that paying for college was going to be something that I'd have to figure out because it absolutely was not in the budget, especially with some of the health problems my younger siblings have had. I'm now turning 23 in a few months and pursuing an accounting degree that I'm about two-thirds of the way done with so here's just a few bits of advice that I can give since that's probably the easiest way to do this.


    1 - If at all possible for your situation, STAY AT HOME. The amount of money I've saved from not having to pay rent and all the rest of the random crap that piles up once you're on your own has been more than worth the frustration that occasionally pops up from not having my own living quarters where I get to make all the rules, be my own man, etc, etc.


    2 - If you don't know what you want to do out of high school (I had no idea at the time and neither did most of my friends so it's more the norm I'd say) then don't go to college. There is no rule that says you have to go to college right after high school and having those two-plus years to get my shit straight, find a decent full-time job (which I fully recognize is not as easy as just snapping your fingers,) and save as much money as possible for whatever the future brings was invaluable to me personally. Go to college when you're ready and have at least an inkling of the direction you're leaning in terms of career path so you're not just tossing your hard-earned cash into the money hole that college can be if you just rush in blindly because that's what you're, "supposed to do."


    3 - Research alternative ways of going about getting your degree. Going into college, I already had about a semesters worth of credit hours out of the way through "CLEP tests." Basically, you study on your own time and when you're ready you set up a test at a college facility, pay about $150 bucks and if you pass the test, that's the exact equivalent of taking a class for an entire semester. It's cheap, extremely flexible and sits there just waiting to be transferred into whatever college you do end up enrolling at.


    4 - The fourth is actually not my example but comes from my parents. Neither of them went to college (my dad even dropped out of high school although he later went back to get his GED) and while my mom now stays at home to take care of my young sisters, my dad has worked his ass off and is now in upper management at a distributorship after starting out literally at the bottom rung of the ladder there. What I'm trying to say in this point is basically that college isn't for everybody. I went because I'm decent with math, like it alright and now I'm going for a degree tailored to that skill but that's just me, everybody has different skill sets thankfully and maybe yours is just better suited outside of the classroom. Don't go to college just because it's something you, "have to do to get a job," which is absolutely not true.


    5 - Lean on your family/friends. If you're looking for a job to help pay for college, your best resource is the people around you. Now I fully recognize that it's a bit of a blow to the pride and as someone who really doesn't like asking for help, this is tough but your family and friends all want you to succeed and a simple, "hey I'm looking for a job, does, 'Company X,' that you work for have any openings?" works a lot more than you'd think plus having a recommendation from somebody already on the inside who can speak to your character works really well. At the business I'm currently at a fairly large percentage of our workforce comes from people who are already in pulling their friends in with them so I'm not completely talking out of my ass here, I've literally watched it happen around me.


    So that's pretty much it, sorry if I got more than a little preachy there. I recognize that this obviously won't work for everybody and even people who do try it might get knocked on their ass because that's just how life works some (most) of the time. The best advice I can really give (and I'm preaching here again, sorry) is what my dad told me growing up playing hockey. To summarize his speech, he basically just straight up told me that I'm not entitled to anything in life, whether it's making a team or going to college in this case and if I really want something I've gotta go take it because nobody's gonna drop it into my lap. By no means does this guarantee success but your chances are a whole hell of a lot better if you act smart, work your ass off and do everything in your power to beat the stacked system. Comparing our screwed up school system in the US to a vastly superior foreign one pretty much anywhere you look in similarly well-off countries doesn't change anything.


    Again, sorry for the rant and I wish all my fellow millennials (and anyone else wanting to go to college) the best of luck!

    • rhn94 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      A lot of assumptions of other people's lives based on your own.

    • cmitts93 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Gay Robot

      1 year ago

      @rhn94

      I never assumed this would work for everybody at any point in my post, all I gave was a few different tips on alternative ways to go about education and/or save money. Obviously it's not a cookie-cutter thing that you can just mold everybody into because no one has the exact same background but if somebody can use even one of those options which I wrote about, they might have a better chance of getting through college without a load of debt. All I'm doing is presenting alternatives to the norm.


      Thanks for the detailed critique though!

    • andyjdan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold a human

      1 year ago

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    1 year ago

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  • pureneon FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I'm not sure if it was covered in the last Fan Show or not but another thing people don't take into consideration is the fact that generations before us didn't have such easily accessible and public platforms to project either their failures or their successes on.


    Social media and the ability to share aspects of your life instantly are, for the most part, a blessing (hello - Fan Show) but can also be a curse in the way that it causes people to compare their own life/situation (something they know all about) to snippets of somebody elses life/situation.


    While you may not agree with or like the fact that someone else is in a more (subjectively) desirable circumstances than yourself, dwelling on to be what you perceive your shortcomings is only going to detriment your own wellbeing. Everyone has something that they're wanting to achieve and are constantly running into obstacles with, that doesn't change with progression of time or technology.


    Also to add on to the Fan art comments below, there definitely has been a change in how submissions are responded to. I think people actively practicing art should be able to take any form of (constructive) criticism on the chin but I also think y'all have maybe not considered that not everybody shares FH fan art with the intention or knowledge that it may be on the show and essentially be analysed like art from the 15th century. I don't really know how to put it but having a laugh at someone who has intentionally put a stylised twist on something like a portrait would be received a little differently than having a laugh at some kid who has tried their best to get someones features right but is a little off. While it's not your job to figure out which is which, I can see why some people may take issue with it.

  • TheeCapta1n

    1 year ago

    The comments portion now is almost turning into a mini-podcast, following the normal pattern of 1) Topic is presented, 2) Topic is discussed, 3) Tangents and topics comparable to topic is also discussed. I like it a lot. I don't usually get the time to watch the podcasts, but I'm always interested in what you guys have to say. and, it works well as a preshow, because it always makes me want to watch the podcast. Keep it up you guys!

  • dalexsand FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    If you want a Swedish employee, I volunteer. I can sit in the background of every video and read out loud from ikea catalogues. For more amazing content ideas, hit me up.

  • ChangVicious FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Haus of Fun, i just wanted to stop by and say that you guys are doing more than a great job. I love the fact that no matter how negative or positive any comments you guys recieve you always stay true to yourselves. Ive been following you guys since your days of working at your last company and ive got to say you guys havent lost it. Love that you guys (and gal) did not decide to stay the same, but evolve. Keep on creating the amazing content that we all love so much. Thanks for the laughs every day!

  • Heartbreak-Pudding FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Honestly these more in-depth comment video have good, intelligent content but man do they make me fuckin depressed. Funhaus and Achievement Hunter for me are distractors, that allow me to stop thinking about how miserable I am for a good 10-30 minuets and have a laugh. So first off: thank you Funhaus for providing that important service to me, and secondly: I might stop watching the comment portions, and just watch the fan art stuff. <3

  • Heartbreak-Pudding FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I disagree to a point with Lawrence in his point that young people in any situation and time period can't complain about their situation because it is the same for everybody in "the world". The American higher education system is pretty unique in comparison of the rest of "the world", where in many (but not all, I'm sure) other countries all over have college level education that is a lot more accessible in terms of how much they cost.

    In Argentina, for example, there are many colleges that are completely tuition free. In the current economic climate, it is very difficult for an average US student to attend college, especially private college, and then enter the workforce and live on their own. These people, myself included are in the same boat as almost everybody else our age in this country, so it is hard to garner pity with complaints. However, it is we look outside of the US, when we start to get very, very jealous of other countries' education systems. This causes me personally to get frustrated because it is another example about how many 'great' aspects of the US are bullshit.

    • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Australian here, I feel very sorry for anyone trying to study in the US. Your system is fucked and you have every right to feel upset about it. That being said, it's worth remembering that university isn't the only path to success and many people with degrees still end up unemployed. So before you jump on the college bandwagon, have a think about whether you really need to go down that path.

    • rhn94 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      yeah, lawrence is being condescending just because it went well for him; ye olde "i got mine, you just work harder"

    • SirLarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I feel like what I said is being misconstrued and hyper-simplified.


      My ultimate point is that complaining does nothing, regardless of how justified the complaints are. Someone can point out all the unfairness in the world but they still haven't substantially changed their station. A lot of people give up there... "it's not fair so I'm destined for failure."


      My point is that it's possible to win an unfair game. Life is unfair for everyone to varying degrees. I acknowledge that it's least unfair for me. But, both in my own life and in others, I've seen people succeed when they refuse to accept the state of things and bust their asses to change them.


      So, sure, education is better in other countries. But I'm not in them. I'm in the USA, so I have to figure out how to manage THIS system. Giving up on it because it's better somewhere else wouldn't have gotten me anywhere.


      I hope that makes sense...

    • Heartbreak-Pudding FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I do understand what Lawrence is saying. I agree with him in that complaining gets you no were. I was referring to just my personal thoughts and observations, not stuff I complained about online. However, there is a fine line between complaining about shit and maybe doing something about it. The point of democracy is that if there is a system that is flawed and that the majority of the population agrees is messed up, we have the right to change it. Whining about it on the internet sure won't get you very far, but I still don't think we should always just take the punches. Again, I do understand Lawrence's point of view, I was not saying that complaining makes anything better, but questioning the systems put in place by the higher ups is always warrented.

  • catherinefain

    1 year ago

    Certified Fan Show participant. Put it on my tombstone.

  • Axiom_Bias FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I saw a video the other day of two men in Africa chasing of two leopards away with sticks just to get a gazelle to eat.... and the line under it said "you think your life is hard". I would much rather struggle with not finding the right job and getting berated for not working hard enough, than chasing off a fucking giant cat that could easily rip me to shreds just so I can eat that night haha I find the biggest problem with my generation is that they are just so soft and sensitive (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) but they just need to stop taking what other people say to heart and get the fuck over it. Focus on you and what makes you happy

  • REXXltm FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Crimson Rex

    1 year ago

    the thing is when you learn from your mistakes if there are any and it doesn't work. You tried and fail for reasons out of your control, this is very discouraging for people. I am an example of this when I was looking for a new job after months of sending applications with no responses I gave up and stayed at my current job for now. It's not that there is a problem with me it just didn't happen for any number of reasons, it's not mine or their fault. But it is discouraging to not get anything at all. Which is why a lot of people feel that way, when you have done all you could and get nowhere you just give up, especially when others don't offer help only criticisms.

    • SirLarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Yep, that's life. Nobody said it was easy, but success only comes from trying again and again.

  • Chemical-Cris FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Zero

    1 year ago

    Actually the way let's plays started at Achievement Hunter was a full co-op play through of Saints Row The Third. I believe Michael purposed the idea to Geoff, because Geoff was talking about S.R.3. and how much fun it was, Michael then mentioned doing a full play through of the co-op campaign.There were a couple of longer achievement guides like the Watchmen game.(The End Is Nigh Achievement)

    • REXXltm FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Crimson Rex

      1 year ago

      That's how they started doing Let's Plays but that's not how Achievement Hunter itself started, it started with the achievement guides.

    • Chemical-Cris FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Zero

      1 year ago

      REXXltm that's the first line of my sentance

  • Dlar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    If you look at the world from your perspective you will generally only see life crapping on you. Life is unfair to you, the world is out to get you, you can never succeed so why bother? Looking at the world from outside that perspective, seeing the pattern of life on a grander scale, shows you that life doesn't give a crap about you or anyone else. Everything that happens to you is a chain of events coming from your own actions combining with the actions of people around the world and throughout history.


    You make the best choices you can and keep moving beyond the result. It doesn't matter if the result is good or bad, you can't let it define you and any future choices. The moment you give in to life and those results you have lost yourself. Learn from the results but never let one result make you afraid of trying again.

  • fh_eve FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I'm already prepared to be shit on for this but I don't care because this is something that's important to me and I wanted to voice it.


    I've kinda noticed over the weeks here that it's kind of a thing for y'all to maybe be critical of art that gets sent to you guys, not necessarily from this video alone, but through the shows that I've watched. Don't get me wrong, I know that not everyone has the same standards of art/photoshop work, but honestly would it kill ya to be a little more positive? I know things might seem like they're not to a certain standard that some of you may hold, but if people are just trying new things out and they send shit to you, it can't feel good to have it be essentially shot down. I know a few people have been discouraged from sending you things that they've been working on because they honestly are scared that you're gonna shit on it, even if it's in a joking way, because it still doesn't feel good to have work you've spent time on be criticised so offhandedly by people you look up to. It kinda makes me less excited for fanshow because I kinda feel like "oh, cool, they're gonna complain about people's hard work again, great". And honestly if there are any responses to this comment that say shit like "in the real world your work's gonna be criticised", woo hoo, this isn't the "real world" this is fans sending in work that they're confident enough in to post and tag these guys in, so getting a negative response publicly has gotta be horrible to be honest.


    Anyway this is a fucking essay and I apologise because I know how long it takes for you to read this shit and it coulda been said in fewer words so like tl;dr: could you be more encouraging to people who send things in? they're trying and it won't help people improve if you don't tell them what you like about their stuff. what's the point of showing off community work if it's in a negative way?


    Alright I'm done being mean to you guys now, I'll end this comment by telling you I still admire you all a lot so don't take this as blind hatred from me okay. I just want things to be a bit more positive.

    • kiticath Kit

      1 year ago

      Hi yes I'd just like to add a thing or two onto this because I agree completely.


      The thing about fan show fan art is that, no one is forcing you guys to pick the fan art that you do (well as far as we know anyway). Judging by your tone and past fan shows there's obviously some surprises and not everyone knows what fan art has been put into the document, but this honestly gives no excuse to be negative about any fan art. I'm sure a LOT of these artists had no idea their art would be featured on the show. I know since I was on the show, I had no knowledge until friends had messaged me telling me. Even though nothing negative has really been said about myself, I still am scared of that happening. Hell, its hard enough just posting AND tagging people in the art without being nervous. I'm SURE a lot of newer artists and artists whose art may not be up same standards as others are more nervous about even POSTING any of their work, let alone giving you guys a direct link by tagging you in the post/tweet/subreddit or wherever. Art (in any form) is a tough practice and it's hard to stay motivated for a lot of people in general. Publicly ridiculing peoples work (even as a joke especially as a joke) can really damage a persons ego. There's a LOT of "oh if my art isn't good by now it never will" by itself let alone having people they probably admire or at least like a lot actively put down their work. I can assure you if any of my earlier work had seen the light of day and got a similar response I would have never gotten to the point I am now. Even now I'm still discouraged a lot by people putting it down. There is a difference between putting things down and constructive criticism I'm sure you guys are aware. But as Eve has mentioned it seems more like complaining instead of criticism.


      Anyways, my point was supposed to be simply, these artists don't know their art is going to be on the show and then its publicly criticized. I feel that's unfair not to just them but also the community as a whole. Personally it feels like you're disrespecting fan artists every time it happens because by doing so you're not only putting certain people down but at the same time raising others up and putting them on metaphorical pedestals for which it feels like the art standard should be. Honestly, I think if you're gonna have a piece of fan art in the show and only criticize it and have nothing good to say, why have it in the show at all? If there's 'not enough fan art' that week just have more comments?


      Sorry this got really long. It was only supposed to be a few sentences. As Eve said though I too still admire you guys I'm just upset that this is happening when there are better ways to handle it.

    • Molecule9

      1 year ago

      inb4 funhaus comments #14 hi mom!!

    • EggsCaliber FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I don't think they mean to be discouraging I just think that they are trying to make the best content possible, however, I agree that a lot of the time it can come off that way and I bet it really does hurt the artist's feelings sometimes. I just want to say to all of the artists out there that art is subjective and there's always going to be someone who doesn't enjoy your work no matter how well done it is, don't ever let that discourage you, keep on making art! I personally love seeing everyone's art each week and I'm sure that all of the Funhaus guys are forever grateful that they have people willing to draw them each and every week, keep up the great work community!

    • Blueaugust

      1 year ago

      I've been thinking the same thing lately. And it's just like....I'm pretty sure no one is asking these guys for their critique. And while sure they can offer up critique on any art, no one's going to put a gun to their head and make them stop, the fact is that this is fan art. It is done for free by people who care enough about them to take time out of their day and use whatever artistic skill they have to make them something.


      I have seen some fans who were over the moon when they got featured on the fan show. And I've seen others be annoyed at the critique because it was incredibly condescending. And while the intent might not be there, believe me, you guys can sound REALLY condescending about the fan art sometimes.


      If someone wants your critique on their art work, believe me, they'll ask. But for a lot of people they're putting stuff out there afraid that it'll get torn into. And they're brave enough to put it out anyways.


      Obviously there is going to be art that isn't as good, or looks weird, or doesn't live up to your "standards." But...its fan art. It literally only exists because there are people out there that love you guys and the content you produce.

    • fh_eve FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Okay just so I can like round off my thoughts, there are some good points in this little thread of ours, some that I didn't think about or put in my own comment but still agree with, and some that I had been thinking but neglected to state.


      The "putting people on a pedestal" thing is actually quite a good point and I understand that you can't help it if you like a piece of art so obviously you're gonna voice your opinions of it being incredible, as most art in this community is. The problem does come with the criticism of other art, because it really makes people feel like if their work isn't exactly to the standard of the other person's art, it's not worth it.


      Also, I do appreciate that the guys don't mean to sound like they're complaining it's a good point brought forth by EggsCaliber. I had been having a discussion with someone where I said that I understand the guys' point of view might not be that they've been discouraging, so I get that. The issue is that it happens so often, at least in my view I've heard it happening often, so it becomes monotonous and disheartening to hear.


      Side note though, I fucking love the community here to be honest because we can have discussions like this without being at each other's throats and it's refreshing to me. So thanks for not actually shitting on me like I thought!

    • Forsakenvow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I'd like to add my two cents here as well, now that we're discussing this anyway.


      I totally agree with a lot of this. But let me specificy some things. Constructive criticism is A-OK. A good example of that was Joel mentioning about my Adam painting (this was a while ago, I dont expect you guys to remember) if the proportions made sense cause of the size of the Master Chief armour helmet. These kind of discussions and remarks are okay, and generally make the artist (re)think and possibly improve.


      Furthermore, I obviously don't want you guys to just go 'oh this is good!' at every art cause you /feel obliged/ and then to continue on, cause I suppose we all agree we don't want Fanshow to lose it's sincerity and genuinity when it comes to you guys' reaction.


      Some art is clearly meant to be "joked" about (I mean this is the stuff people make to be laughed about; certain funny photoshop edits, for example), and it's okay to joke if the subject is Joel in a skimpy vampire cosplay or sulky Adam or any other exaggerations of you guys' personas. But it feels so discouraging and dismissive and defeating when an artist spends a lot of time and hard work on fanart, only for it to be joked about because of the way it's drawn. We don't all have the same artistic approaches, skill, talent, whatever you want to call it: but all of us can agree that we put a lot of hard work in it. I didn't really get these kinds of comments from you guys on my stuff personally, but it's saddening to see people feel defeated. Especially when artists try new things and/or people who rarely (or never) draw decide to draw fanart for you guys for the first time!


      So, bottom-line of the story is (at least in my opinion): Joke about the subject (if it's meant to be a jokey exaggeration or a comic, etc.), but don't joke about someone's artskill or anything of the like. Artists tend to be very self-critical, and I don't think you guys should coddle us like we wouldn't be able to deal with any criticism, but constructive criticism brought in a good way =/= jokes and laughter about someone's artskill, artistic approach, or way of drawing/painting.


      (also wanted to add that James has a habit of mentioning/calling out when it's not okay to joke about these things and that you guys' should appreciate the art/hard work, and this is very appreciated!)

    • Kerros FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Fiffs

      1 year ago

      People take it too personally. It's been said before in regards to any Rooster Teeth content that once you become part of the show, you're going to be treated like you're part of the show. This means being open to criticism and being made fun of, because that's what half the content is. I got a photoshop featured one week and the general consensus from the guys was "oh man this is terrible." It's funny! The show wouldn't be enjoyable if every 30 seconds they showed a new picture and jerked off whoever submitted it. Sometimes they're dismissive, sometimes they're critical, and sometimes they're supportive; there's only so many positive things you can say about a piece of fan art before you run out of content though. I also kind of feel like getting recognized and featured in a show should be enough of an ego stroke for people even if the response from the Funhaus crew isn't universally positive and uplifting.

    • kiticath Kit

      1 year ago

      Listen, kerros. These people literally are not ASKING to be on the show. they are sharing their art online which by itself can be hard enough considering how the internet is. The only thing funhaus is doing when they PUBLICLY respond to fan art negatively is tear down artists' self esteem. Now there IS a difference when something is drawn/made badly to be funny and laughed at but I'm sure its easy to tell when that's the case. Its unfair to take these artists art (without permission, I might add. I've never heard of them asking permission to feature any artists art in the show) and then respond negatively in front of probably thousands of people. No one is asking them to critique this art. In most cases, these artists are simply sharing something they've done and want to show others. I'm sure a lot of them would be surprised to even get a like on twitter or any sort of acknowledgement from the team at all.


      Anyways. Yeah. Maybe they shouldn't take it personally, but I don't know, call me back when someone you know is too afraid to share something they've made in fear that the only response they'll get is negative. PERSONALLY I think it's rude to react negatively to something unless you're going to give the person tips or actual CONSTRUCTIVE criticism to help them better what theyve made.

    • Kerros FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Fiffs

      1 year ago

      I get where you're coming from and I understand the viewpoint, but they've stated multiple times that even though they make fun of some artwork, they appreciate that people are doing it and encourage them to keep it up. The negativity isn't out of malevolence or disregard, it's about producing content. Everyone seems to like their brand of humor until the spotlight shines on them. Suddenly it's seen as some terrible offense. People just need to understand that there's a difference between the fact that their art is appreciated for being created/submitted off camera versus the reactions that we see on camera. It's a performance, for lack of a better term.

    • fh_eve FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I do understand your point, and I think everyone in the thread understands your point. I know they're not deliberately being rude to people, as I or other people have stated. The point is that I and many people are kinda tired of the "performance" so to speak, all I want from my perspective personally is just more positivity in the way they talk about the art.


      More people need to understand that their words can affect people more negatively than their point of view would have them think. I love Funhaus to death and I know that they're not being shitty people about it, but artists (especially artists just starting out) can be discouraged by their words.


      Fan show is one thing that I have looked forward to every week because I love this community's talent and I'm not shy about telling people how wonderful I think their work is, so if people are watching the show for some other reason then I really don't understand their perspective to be honest.


    • Forsakenvow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      To give a response to Kerros as well;

      First of all; people aren't asking to be on the show, let alone to be made fun off. We know they don't mean anything with it, we know they appreciate it, and I know they shouldn't coddle us and treat us like we're made of porcelain (everyone deals with comments on their art differently, after all; one can take more than the other), but it's important to note that this seems (at least to me) to be happening regarding people's art skills.


      Like I said before: making jokes about an artwork isn't always a negative thing. If you joke about the subject, that's fine. If you joke about the reference that's being made in the artwork, also totally okay. If you make some constructive criticism comment questioning how something works, that's also fine (depending on how it's delivered). But a lot of times there seems to be a gap between how the boys deal with the difference in 'skill level' (which isnt a term I like to use anyway, I think most people just have different approaches, but that aside). Not everyone has the same grasp on anatomy, and might be a 'new' artist, and thus it can be really defeating if the people you look up to make a joke about said anatomy problems. Once again; pointing it out as constructive critism = OK, making it into a joke to laugh about = NOT. That's kind of what our point was.


      Furthermore, there's a difference between their kind of humour as it is presented in videos like Open Haus, as compared to using that humour in the Fanshow. You are talking about your fans here, you are pretty much, almost directly, talking to someone. I hate to bring up old issues, but one time in the past theyve made a joke out of misgendering some artists (including Keltbh, and me). That fanshow hit us hard (me, personally not as hard, but regardless I agreed that it was a shitty thing to joke about). (We contacted them and talked it through, but that's not the point of this comment, so I won't delve into it further) Now some would say to that; 'They make these jokes all the time! Why are you suddenly offended now!'. It's because we are talked about /directly/. I feel like it's just important to note that in Fanshow you're talking about your fans, you're talking about a single person who's put hard work and effort into creating something for you, and you're making a joke about them. I hope you understand what I'm getting at? (I'm not always the best with words). It's different if you stereotypise/target a group, but once you start talking about people personally, those 'jokes' might hit way harder than you think.


      Now to end this on another important note: We do NOT want to tell Funhaus /what to do/. That's clearly their own choice, and they're old and wise enough to formulate their own opinions, approaches and viewpoints on this. What everyone at Funhaus thinks is okay or not okay to do or say, is NOT up to us. But I hope this is an issue that they will at least think about and consider, that's all we ask, honestly. We simply want to make sure that they know this is a thing that's been happening within the fanartists/community. What they decide to do with it/how they want to approach things, is, and always will be, up to them.


      (PS: about it being a 'performance'. I'm pretty sure a lot of us would take no comment over a performance full of jokes on our artwork. I'd rather have them not show my work at all, then use it as some subject of comedy, if that makes sense. Performance comes in their other vids: The Fanshow seems more of a direct interaction with them; it's a different approach than Open Haus, or Your Comments, for example.)

    • SirLarr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      I've had similar concerns... personally I try to always be positive but I can't (and won't) try to control the tone of everyone else.


      I don't want to discourage anyone, and I'm sorry if our reception of someone's art has done that. But I'm also in a strange position of wanting to include everyone. It's possible that I could control the tone of the show by only picking "good" fanart, but that is also sort of segregating. I don't want anyone to feel like they're not good enough to be on the show, because this is a show for everyone.


      So, it's tricky. Either I only show "good" fanart, which may inadvertently discourage people from trying because they're not as good as that and thus think they'll never be featured, or I feature everyone and expose the less practiced artists to some friendly ribbing.


      I've thought about it and I don't know what the right answer is. I don't think "just be nice" will work.

    • Forsakenvow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      @SirLarr:


      Agreed and I understand the situation. I mean, considering that this thread got this long; says enough about the complexity of the issue, I suppose. I think we all agree that we don't want you guys to just be nice (we like the genuinity in the responses of you guys, forcing you guys to 'just be nice' would defeat the purpose of the show, imo), nor do we really want you guys to only pick the art from art veterans (for lack of a better term?).


      I think what people enjoy about fanshow is your genuine reaction, as well as the fact that you show new art/artists who haven't been featured before. I understand that it's difficult to control what's being said /because/ you want to keep it genuine?


      Regardless, thanks for responding and shedding some light on the situation, and I understand your point(s). I'm glad you gave this some thought.


      (PS: in my opinion, I do notice that you actively try to stay positive in your remarks during the Fanshow, and that's very appreciated. Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, just like how James once in a while asks everyone to calm down (after some joke is being made) and give the artist some appreciation. I think I can speak for most of us, that we dó also notice and appreciate that, a lot.)

  • AManInAChair FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I thought Adam's comment on FunHaus' tone was spot on, I think the fans fell in love with you guys because of that. However I do like seeing you guys try new things. Something great about your videos that I didn't consciously realize at first was that every video was different even if tone was similar. No two Open Haus videos are the "same" even though you answer fan questions every week. Unique improv comedy is brought to each video just by who each of you are and that makes the tone, the tone.
    I think it would be interesting to see James play a game he enjoys and cut down to certain funny moments to fit the normal tone. Or a movie "show", loved the YMS guest star pilot movie podcast for what its worth. Everyone at FH is so diverse and conveys their views so eloquently I think it'd be very fun to watch FH branch out into that as well.

    I don't know, I just want to be acknowledged so I wrote a lengthy comment with my opinions, I know nothing about productions like you guys do, so maybe I'm way off base.

  • awequiteabit FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I think the more important part of that last comment was glossed over. There is a stigma around millenials being lazy or not working hard or whatever, when the evidence doesn't really support that as a generalization. You can certainly argue that younger generations are lazier / don't have the work ethic that older generations do - Boomers said this about Gen Xers, Greatest Generation said this about boomers, etc. Part of the "problem" currently is that, because of the accessibility of the internet, there are way more hot takes now that reach a mass audience, rather than in the past when it was just the old folks bitching in the pub or whatever. So when millenials do work hard and fail and then are accused of not working hard, it's a frustrating experience.


    Sure, we may be in a situation where a lot of us are more used to instant gratification, and may not be happy in the same career or educational tract, but this doesn't mean that people are lazy or not working hard - it signals a changing work environment that should be examined, understood and utilized rather than written off as not being the same as it was before therefore bad.

  • chilope FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Pussy Slayer

    1 year ago

    Woah that was surreal. Also damn I should have picked a username that is easier to pronounce lol

  • uncreativekid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kate

    1 year ago

    I wish I was better at realistic portraits so I could submit something to the fan show. Cause it'd be a little weird if I tweeted abstractions of the Funhaus crew

    • kiticath Kit

      1 year ago

      do it anyway bro let that creativity flow my dude

  • JRod365 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I've never heard so much talk about generations before the last couple Fan Shows. It's getting pretty draining hearing about generalized woes and problems week to week to be honest.

  • PraiseJebus247

    1 year ago

    Shout out to uncomfortable tension

  • RJ-the-IV FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Working Gamer

    1 year ago

    I love hearing you guys talk, you guys are my escape from all my problems, thank you.