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  • lootsorrow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    So I worked in a call center doing tech-support for a while, and one night my roommate and I watched Pulp Fiction (he had never seen it, I had seen it several times), and boy oh boy does Samuel L Jackson love the word motherfucker. The next day at work I was taking a call, nothing unusual about it, trying to help this guy with whatever, he wasn't being rude or anything, and out of nowhere he hangs up on me mid sentence. So I put my headset down on my desk turn around and face some of my coworkers and said in my best (which is still not very good) Samuel L Jackson impression "That motherfucker just hung up on me!" Almost got fired for it.


    Long story short, maybe PDP was just listening to some 50 cent or whatever right before going live and that word was just in his head. No that doesn't make it ok, but as far as trying to get into his head to figure out why he said it, that's my guess. I'm sure a lot of black people in America have spent a lot of time arguing with each other about casual use of the n-word in music and etc, knowing incidents like this were bound to happen.


    I don't really have any concluding thought to this post, so here is Benson  benson

  • weaselbeans FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    Jacob looking incredibly uncomfortable was the best part of this show. Love you guys

  • Reater FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold HereForFunHaus

    3 weeks ago

    I didn't want to go back to that conversation,but since everyone is still talking about it i guess i'll share my thoughts.
    1- i absolutely agree with Bruce the n-word isn't fundamentally racist,context plays the decisive role here.
    2-i do not agree that one word or the other can show you are racist or not,only actions.
    3-whatever bullshit about white people not being able to be subjected to racism? fuck that.
    Yes i am a white man,you can say whatever you want,but i know i have been subjected to racism my entire life.
    I was born in a Jewish family in Russia,my Father could not get into a normal paying work because he was Jewish,he could not go to college because of that as well,we were outsiders.
    later we moved to Israel in hopes for a better living,but were still outsiders here,just because were Russians.
    i don't mind being called names,or made fun of because of where i was born.
    in Israel,when you get a citizenship and get a start up money for 6 months,so you can find a job and a place to live etc,and i'm grateful the government does that,but the amount of money and the time you get that money for changes if you're Ethiopian,they receive MUCH more support and for MUCH longer,besides that they get an apartment they do not pay for.
    these things coming from the government and/or work places are what i call racist,not words someone might throw at me or anyone else for that matter,in a heat of the moment.

  • Whinterfell FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Games are coming

    3 weeks ago

    I have to say I don't agree with the near last comment.  FullofWish's idea that because you are white you can't suffer racism is fundamental to because you are a man you can't suffer inequality.  Every walk of like can and does suffer racism at some point.  The culture we live in and the world we traverse in are filled with small to large amounts of it.  Saying one race can't feel it is the whole reason most people forget that there are tragedies and hurtfulness on all sides.  There are goods and bads on all sides.  And the world is not black and white but a mess of grays/greys that kind of line up with other peoples grays/greys.

    • novaprime FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      I agree with this completely. It can be very frustrating when people just brush off negative things toward a person just because they happen to be a certain skin color. As you said all walks of life can and will experience a form of racism at some point and until everyone acknowledges that nothing will ever change.

  • Hover07 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    In the off chance you guys pick my question... I am from Swansea, Wales in the UK. You raise the on topic/issue of using racist language (also in connecting to the Alt Right emergence in the US). I remember being taught from a young age about WW2 and the awful period in history where the Nazis attacked groups like the Jews and killed millions. We learnt early on, how bad this was. I even remembering getting permission off my parents to watch Schindler's List way before I was old enough. The violent scenes stayed with me and taught me the consequences of extremist views. I'm interested in knowing how your upbringing taught you about WW2 and slavery. Was it so drummed in? You are like minded people in my eyes (to myself and friends) who I believe would act the same way as me. Although there seems to be a generation or isolated group who see their skin colour As "superior".

  • BrandonK FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Funnier in editing.

    3 weeks ago

    Without trying to pile onto last weeks comment section, I do find it funny that @Guysbeefy has no problem writing "Spic" or "chink" in a comment, but still types "n-word" and "f-word". And this is in a comment about how all these words are equally offensive. To quote John Mulaney "if you're comparing the badness of 2 words, and you won't even say one of them, that's the worse word." Ref. This doesn't make me a better person for catching the irony of his comment, I just found it amusing and worth pointing out.

    • Guysbeefy FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      Other people find them not to be equally offensive which is why I chose not to type those words out, nothing to do with what I will or won't say. That and some of the people who actually used the word nigger in the comments were making points that I wanted to distance myself from.

    • Hover07 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      It's a good point that in many ways shows the cultural difference! Some people are comfortable confronting the language without hurting or insulting a group of people. In GB's context he uses them to make a great point but demonstrates how we all view that strong language differently. The RT community always throws up the cool questions haha. 

    • BrandonK FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Funnier in editing.

      3 weeks ago

      I knew I shouldn't have at'ed Guysbeefy. I was afraid last weeks comment section would get dragged into this weeks and possibly start another heated discussion again. There is no need for the comment section to become a forum when RT already has one. So as a compromise, how about this. If anyone is interested in following this line of thinking and wants to discuss it, create a forum, quote my comment in its entirety as the first post, and PM me the link. I will edit this comment to link to it and we can continue this discussion there. I love discourse but I hate argument, and I don't want this comment section to be dominated by more people fighting over old news. Thanks in advance for your (hopefully) constructive opinions.

  • Lethoreal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    Oh goodness I got mention :o 

    • Lethoreal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      - Adam - I wasn't really referencing it as an excuse you were making for him so much as a talking point that's worth mentioning.

  • Orac FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Holding on to "Sponsor"

    3 weeks ago

    Not to prolong the "Is Felix a racist?" conversation, but I'll do it anyway.
    I think Pewdiepie put himself in a difficult position because he's prone to being transgressive in his edited videos.  The only way you can get away with that without being labeled something is to present yourself cleanly when you're outside that format.  That's how Louis C K, Matt Stone/Trey Parker, Mel Brooks, and even Funhaus manage to get away with things that aren't acceptable when they're played straight.

    By casually dropping the n-word in the more low-fi environment of a stream, Felix blurred the line between himself and his on-screen persona, even more than YouTube already does.  That'd be fine if your on-screen persona just did makeup tutorials.  No harm done there.  But when you spend a widely-scrutinized part of your time making Nazi/Jew jokes, you don't have that same luxury.

    I don't think this is necessarily a political correctness or censorship issue, at least in this respect.  I think this is just the cost of doing business when you choose that type of comedy.  If you're going to do jokes at the expense of people who had the shit kicked out of them for generations, you can't entertain that joke viewpoint in a non-joke setting.  And if that's not something you can live with, don't make those jokes.  If Pewdiepie wants to joke about the holocaust, Felix can't say the n-word.

    I feel that there's nothing that should be off limits for comedy.  But I do think that comedians need to be aware of the limits of their comedy.

  • 8bitdee my views are your own

    3 weeks ago

    As a POC myself, I'm sorry but I truly believe that saying that word does not automatically make you a racist. If saying that word, regardless of context, makes you a racist, then saying the word "bitch" or "queer"  automatically makes you sexist or homophobic. "Oh, but the N-word has history." Guess what, motherfucker, so does EVERY INSULTING WORD YOU HAVE EVER SAID IN YOUR LIFE. 


    Like Bruce said, it's contextual. If you're using it in a demonizing way to intentionally hurt someone, or to sound superior, yes that is being racist. But if it's used in a different way, like art or among friends whom you have no ill feelings towards to, it's not racist. 


    Also people need to understand the definition of racism, for fuck's sake. Racism is believing that you (and your race) are superior to another race and you discriminate against them because you believe they are lower than you. Stop being so reactive at the sound of a word and pay attention to its usage. 

  • slap1face

    3 weeks ago

    Its hard to not say a word when you are used to saying it.

  • slap1face

    3 weeks ago

    Bruce, no one is going to think you are racist for listening to that kind of music. its not like you are listening to "Alabama nigger"

    • slap1face

      3 weeks ago

      that song IS racist.

  • BrandonK FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Funnier in editing.

    3 weeks ago

    "So I'm just licking it for the taste" had me laughing so hard I may have it engraved on my tomb stone.

  • Puckrocker18 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    I don't envy the position that Funhaus was in with the last podcast. They couldn't not talk about it as it was such a big news story at the time but they were kind of thrust into a place where no matter what they said they were going to be villains to somebody. They would either have judged PDP too harshly or not harshly enough. I respect that they tried to have and honest and thoughtful conversation which is all they could really do.

  • tannerjlittle FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    Wait, did Lawrence say he married a black woman? He was married? I feel like I heard about this before but this is still so weird to hear. Can someone confirm that he was married?

    • TacticalWard FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Bullshit Connoiseur

      3 weeks ago

      Yeah but they got divorced a while back. They occasionally used to joke about it

  • Xarrette

    3 weeks ago

    Because Pewdiepie has taken over the majority of the discussion.  

    I am surprised that I haven't seen this argument brought up: he could have grown up in a racist surrounding, but for whatever his personal reason may be, image, or wanting to be better, etc, he could have tried to move on and keep his past inside.  But in his annoyed rage it slipped out.

  • bryanv93

    3 weeks ago

    Why do people get so mad that they can't use the word. It is a word that "whites" used to insult us and they saw us and in my opinion still see us as savages, as not one of them, not an equal human being but  less than. You can't freaking use it and that's it. We use it with each other as endearment and we always have. When yah say it it's not endearment it's a freaking insult god damn it theres a lot of god damn words we can't call certain races. We can't walk around calling every white person cracker right? It'll piss some people off. Try it and tell me what the damn result is and especially if you arent white. We cant call asians some words we cant call jewish people some words. There are words that are just not ok to say. Deal with it god damn it. I never say words that are insults towards others and I'm never like "damn I really wish I can say that right now." Nobody knows if he is racist in his life but he definitely used that word as an insult so he might be. You don't really know anybody. Your next door neighbor can be part of the freaking KKK and every morning you see each other and say hello and treat each other with respect. So I am not going to assume he is or not a racist. He said the word it was wrong and he had to know it was wrong come on now he has to know it is not right to say it. 

    • Whinterfell FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Games are coming

      3 weeks ago

      You say that but I know several black people that will walk around  calling white people crackers.  On a daily basis.  So what happens?  I haven't seen anything done about it for fear of people calling the ones being subjected by a word being called the racist ones over the ones using a word others seem to think are racist as well.  But truthfully cracker is not nearly as wrong as the N-word.  I will not say it because I have enough respect to not use it even in context of discussion.  Context is key to many things, just as is personal perspective and history.  Like many things in life there is no black and white, but many many shades of gray or grey, which ever you prefer.

    • Whinterfell FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Games are coming

      3 weeks ago

      Also on a side note, there are many many times you will see black people using the N-word to degrade and humiliate each other.  So you can't say that all use of that word means endearment and always have done it like that.

  • superline51 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    Words alone aren't racist, and words are never "violent". If words alone are racist, that would make 95% of rappers racist. 

    • hoffm83n FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      Anytime someone was lynched they were called a nigger. NOT "sup my nigga" anyone who doesn't think nigger is a violent word simply doesn't know history. This is a completely seperate discussion from modern day usage of "nigga"and other social issues.  the amount of ignorance around the history of race in this country is really depressing :/  everyone is way too Caught up in the moment. 

    • superline51 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      Words are not violent, they're just sound. Even if the actions surrounding the use of the words are violent, they cause no harm in and of themselves. So in your instance, lynching is violent, saying the word "nigger" is not. And just because a word has a "history" of something, it does not make the word inherently racist. Just like Bruce said, it's all about the context. 

    • hoffm83n FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      yes the word is just a sound and sounds are not inherently racist. however to my knowledge the only time "nigger" is used outside discussing the word itself, its used as an attack on someone else. thats additionally why i take the position that it is violent even if the person using it doesn't mean it to be. almost every other swear word can be used in ways outside of insulting someone. if i were to call someone "nigger" it does cause harm because of the history that is associated with it. if we didn't have history that we do or history was irrelevant, calling someone a "nigger" wouldnt be a big deal and the word would be used in ways that don't attack another person. hopefully the world will change to where my opinion is categorically false. 

    • superline51 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      Words do not cause harm, unless you let them, and even then it's only your feelings. You can choose to not be hurt/offended by mere words, you can't choose to not be hurt by someone punching you in the face. That's why words are not violent. Violence is a physical threat. Just because it might be socially unacceptable in some areas, it doesn't make it inherently racist. There are a lot of people that use the word that aren't "attacking" anyone. It's just another word, like when I call my best friend "fuckface". 

  • snowden76 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    Man this n-word argument is so fucked. I really stand by the position that it's either all okay, or none of it is. Either everyone can say it (and understand the weight of it), or no one can.

    When you guys were talking about it being used in music that you like to listen to, and then feel embarrassed just to think about someone seeing you enjoy it, I think is a clear example. This is stuff on the radio. It's mainstream. It's in our culture already and the USA exports culture like mad. It's absurd to hold the entire world to this ridiculous standard.

    To say that only one color of people can use a word and the others can't is the textbook definition of racism. 

    • dasmoo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      no

    • fillyphil FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      In time people will get over. I have no idea how long it'll take. But some new "buzz" word will come about with a bizzare set of rules for how, when, and who is allowed to say it. No one should be fretting if they are racist if arbitrary things, like Adam mentioned, have you concerned if you might be a little racist or not. All anyone needs to do is not be a dick and don't jump to conclusions and you're set for life. If you follow those two things and someone still accuses you of being a racist, the irony is that they themselves are the ignorant one jumping to conclusions.

  • superline51 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    So they keep saying the season was wrapped up, but *Spoiler Alert*, at the end, all that happens is Downs explodes and then that's it. There's no closure. What happens with the dude on the spoon, or the drummer demon?

  • Benfearing FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Mr Manaconda

    3 weeks ago

    PDP is ignorant, and yes, a mild racist/partisan, as we all are. People can try to deny it all they want, we all have prejudices in varying degrees of intensity. PDP is simply wrong and foolish for his use of the word. Period. That being said, I think it is just as ignorant for people to criticize FH for having opinions on this matter. How can any progress be made if they are not allowed a commentary on it? There seems to be this prevailing notion that since none of them are black, none of their perspectives matter. If this is the case, a candid conversation will never take place, no progress ever. 


    From personal experience, I've seen all too much racism. Growing up in North Minneapolis, I've seen plenty of African Americans treated unfairly, abused by police, solely on skin color. I've personally gotten the shit kicked out of me, solely for walking down the 'wrong' street and being white. That's real racism, and it is capable of going both ways. I'm sick of the narrative that 'Whites' are the only people capable of bigotry. One way or another, this is a issue that can't be spurred to resolution without commentary, so thank you guys for offering your perspectives on the issue. Keep up the good work FunHaus.

  • Rhodi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    all those comments about racism and I'm just surprised that Bruce is single, the hell is wrong with American girls? No fans of SKA and farts there?

    • Rhodi FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      oh, and Adam mentioned something about meeting your heroes that it's not worth it. Last year I was very lucky to meet a guitarist I've been a fan of for 15 years and the dude was everything I've ever wanted. He was busy going to an interview with some radio and even though the interview people were waving at him to come he stopped, light up a cigarette and asked me about a football game my country had a night before how did I like it. Fucking incredible, I'll take that memory to my grave. I'm not disagreeing with Adam on the subject, because I bet he's right in most of the cases but there's a small chance you were right with idolizing someone, and that's the best feeling in the world- being right for once for 5 minutes. The guitarist's name is Jani Liimatainen by the way, he was playing in Sonata Arctica before starting his own project Cain's Offering + playing in a ton of different stuff here and there

    • RVBCheckmate

      3 weeks ago

      He's dating Bethany Feinstein.

  • STRANGE91295 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    What about the time Bruce said the nigga on the verdun gameplay video

  • Turquaz619 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Bruce lost a fan on this one. I'm not sure if he was just getting defensive or if he truly thinks that the word inst inherently racist. Altogether, I dont entirely see why the group doesn't want to fully condemn the use of it in such a behavior. They started by saying it was offensive, but the longer they talked they started to make more claims that I disagreed with. To me it seems as if they're grasping at straws for reasons why the use may have not been so reprehensible. Maybe next time just condemn the use and be done with the conversation to avoid coming off as ignorant.


    My perspective on the word itself is thus. These days a person has little reason to say it, type it, quote it or make a big stink about someone else's use. Just let the word die and a lot of people will feel better.

    • jakeprime FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      I feel what you're saying, and I hope they learn that you CAN pick a side on certain things. The other thing that bothered me a lot was how shocked Bruce was about the idea that the world could be racist, and how adamant he was. Where's the empathy? Showed an unfortunate and surprising bit of closed-mindedness, but I'm glad Lawrence and Adam pushed back at him - at least on the word. It's too bad, but that's what happens when you don't have people with different experiences around you.

    • charlie_driver FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold hiiiiiialaska

      4 weeks ago

      I really don't think the issue is with the word as much as it is the intention behind it, I believe is what he's trying to say. I personally know tons of people who use the word not in a racist way, when referring to me even, and I can't say I'm comfortable with that, however, I know it's not coming from a negative place when my african american friends call me that. I think a lot of black people use the word as empowerment now, not to say that's right, but I think Bruce has a point with a word not inherently ever carrying just weight. 

  • Ningaear FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Words can carry the same weight as actions for racism. They are not separated.

  • Camo87 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    It doesn't matter if it's in a studio or an office, the content you all put out is great, it's real and relatable, maybe it's just because I'm the same age, but I believe it's because you guys have a great chemistry and really care for each other, I just started watching you guys about a year ago, and I have become an instant fan, please stay real that is the only thing I ask, in a world full of fakes and decite it's great to know that their are people out there that have same or at least similar thoughts as me. Go team funhaus, and rooster teeth team in general I love all the content, please don't stop.


  • BABBS FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I have a minor point of contention with Lawrence's "in some states" comment.  While I recognize that the racial climate certainly varies from location to location, it's dangerous to create a binary in your head between "racist" and "not-racist" places, because it can blind you to racism that occurs in regions you have previously designated "not-racist" in your head.  LA is one of the pinnacles of progressive politics in America, yet how many people are pulled over there for driving while black?  How many shady arrests and/or shootings of people of color take place there?


    Sorry to be that asshole that nitpicks one off-the-cuff comment out of over two hours of free discussion.  I don't think Lawrence meant to imply that LA/California is a racism-free utopia.  However, I do think it's worth bringing up, as binary thinking is such an easy and common trap to fall into--and in this case placing the region you are in on a hierarchy of racist to non-racist locations can make you vulnerable to accepting the existing level of racism in your location, and does a disservice to individuals fighting against racism that is more prevalent in their area.


    Bottom line, I always try to look at each person as an individual as deep and complex as myself, and to remember that features of the body of society are made from the unimaginably complex interactions of the molecules of the individuals making up society.

    • hoffm83n FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      i would recommend anybody interested in delving into the history of race, migration and how our cities came to be today to read the warmth of other suns. its only a snapshot into a few peoples lives but it is unbelievably gripping, humanizing and relevant to current life in the u.s. 


      https://www.amazon.com/Warmth-Other-Suns-Americas-Migration/dp/0679763880


      pm me ill send u my copy

    • Gobbles24 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      "yet how many people are pulled over there for driving while black? How many shady arrests and/or shootings of people of color take place there?" You don't know the answer meaning your purely speculating without proof. Black people can speed and commit crimes like the rest of us, to immediately assume an arrest or pull over is about race is ridiculous 

  • steffunzel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Steffunzel

    4 weeks ago

    its funny to see all these people who would laugh at the subtly racist Jewish jokes or the Asian jokes to now take offense because it is about black people. I get that what PDP said wasn't a joke, but if you are going to take some racism lightly, you have to take it all lightly, otherwise you should be getting angry at FH for playfully mimicking Asian people or poking fun at the holocaust. 

    • hoffm83n FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      usually humor around race is based in deconstructing the absurdity behind it. everybody and everything should be able to be used as a focal point for humor but if someone is using racial/gendered/ any in-out group humor and are completely ignorant to all the history and social meaning behind what they are basing their humor on, its not gonna be funny. 

  • HansChrist FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    What's more racist. Saying some random dude is a n****** or calling a black person stupid?

    • Swible FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      That's... not even a question, the first one. Anyone can be stupid and anyone can be called stupid. It only becomes racist when you attack someone because of their identity. There's a big difference between "That dude is stupid" and "All (race) are stupid".

    • HansChrist FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 weeks ago

      PewDiePie didn't attack a race either. he called a guy n****** meaning asshole. i know what n****** means and it was stupid of him to say it, but I wouldn't call it racist if he isn't attacking a race. He could've said f*ggot a word offensive to homosexual and no one would have cared. 

  • RedFred238 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RedFred238

    4 weeks ago

    Hey guys. I really like what Lawrence said about the PewDiePie situation. You don't have to pick a side at the opposite sites of the spectrum, that just breeds extremism. You shouldn't be anyone's side but your own. That doesn't mean that you can't agree with people though. We should all stay more centered and see where other people are coming from instead of demonizing them. 

  • jakeprime FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Great discussion! One thing getting missed is what racism means... it's not all about "being" racist. Individuals can be racist when they do things like discriminate against people of color but asking whether the dude is a racist is really limiting the scope of the problem. The issue is that the fact pewdiepie uses it IS racism because it contributes to a racist system. Period! "He is/he isn't" is a pointless discussion that shows that sometimes a group of white men unfortunately miss the complexities- not that they can't understand them just that they are missed. Again great discussion guys, keep trying to be woke. 

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      All this. The hard and uncomfortable truth is that all of us white people are conditioned by our society to accept and contribute to racism, the unfair system that keeps us at the top, and it's hard to go against that. Because it's easy to just not, to just say "I'm a good person and I think everyone should be judged by their merits" and not go any further than that. Maybe you won't go forward and help create an unfair system but you also won't do anything towards dismantling the current ones. You really have to unlearn a lot of the messed up "norms" you are taught to perpetuate, and listen rather than close yourself off from these painful discussions. Most people will never embrace the thought of "I am racist" because of the connotations that define someone as having an immalleable and flawed belief system. But maybe we can be more self aware to examine how we can be capable of racism with no actual malicious intent that nevertheless ends up keeping racist power structures and inequality strong. Denying, ignoring and dismissing the legitimacy of dissenting voices, the experiences and suffering of those resisting those structures, is in fact a racist act. We have a much longer history of racism than we do of work in abolishing it, and we all need to remember that.

  • crazyjivin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Hell in the Pacific is an earlier, imho much better version, of Enemy Mine. Plus Toshiro Mifune and Lee Marvin = BADASS squared

  • imloaf FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    im taking a bong rip for every comment related to that word, i gotta gain something out of all of this, because its all just fuzzy noise to me. I'll start with my comment.

    • rhn94 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      edgy

    • imloaf FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      does anyone have alien on blu-ray

  • IsraelAU FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I agree completely with Bruce context is key, say I was a reporter and reffed to Felix saying the n-word and i said "Felix called a person a nigger" then i am now racist for saying the word? Don't get me wrong I think what Felix did inexcusable and he knows that evidenced by his apology.Although I am not sure if using the word period in any context. I am a white person so i really have no understanding of the pain the use of the n-word can bring.

     

    • Antimattergizmo FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      In context I've jokingly said it at one of my black theatre friends multiple times because mock racism sort of became my thing after I was cast as an actual nazi in a production. If I tried that with my other non-theatre black friend that was from the same town as him (Detroit), she would have beat my ass like no tomorrow. Context is key, but I'll be amused when the next set of forbidden words come and all the current slurs are nothing if I live to that time.

  • Neville91 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    It's really really sad to see you guys having to explain yourselves to all the fucking idiots who just completely didn't understand what you guys were saying in this case the Pewdiepie bollocks, One day maybe the internet will just get what you mean and just maybe they'll get sarcasm too.


    Will they fuck.

  • Hawkn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Yeah let's focus on some YouTuber and debate over menial shit. Don't like Pewdiepie? Awesome, don't watch him. 

    There are people - children - without homes or food in the United States, and we're sitting here debating for weeks over some stupid YouTube personality, and a stupid, arguably racist thing he said. Is this what people lose sleep over?

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Instead of just a youtuber or "menial" shit, this is really about the insidiousness of words and the disparity between those who think the n-word is something to "just get over" or without meaning as though the racism it is steeped in no longer exists, and those who acknowledge that its use as a slur is a signifier and symptomatic of current racism that is not merely past-tense but alive and well in the world. The kind that actually effects people and their lives. The kind that keeps people (even children) in poverty. These things intersect, you know? (Surely you don't think natural disasters are the only cause?) If you don't like these conversations, that says a lot about you sure and you really probably should watch and listen, but hey you can take your own advice and not. I'm sure you can find some more podcasts talking about Death Note or something that would obviously be a more important use of your time...


      Also, wow did you know you can care about more than one thing? No? You learn something new every day. Maybe while you're tossing and turning at night - while spooning your L bodypillow - over how you plan to help those American kids you clearly care so much for you can spare a thought about one other issue that needs improving.


      (disclaimer: I actually like Death Note so no actual shade intended there, I just think it's pretty funny for someone with an avatar from a manga/anime that is all about examining justice and morality to want to silence these things.)

    • Hawkn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Go out and volunteer at a foodbank instead of jerking off about your moral superiority.

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Okay, which one do you volunteer at? I'll meet you there with my Ryuk bodypillow.

    • Hawkn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Do you spend your life being offended on behalf of others online? 

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Nope. Do you spend your life not caring about anything because there's always something else you could be caring about? Or do you just think others should do that and it's your duty to tell them?


      Anywho, wanted to have a fun little back and forth but I guess you're too salty. Cheers.

  • miles_hayes FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I have to disagree with Bruce on, Hard R isn't racist and that context matters, which context though? an educational one? When has Pewdiepie ever been educational (I will admit. I've learned a few Swedish swear words.) The one example Bruce did give (rappers use it) doesn't hold up. A lot of rappers do use it in a racial way. They tend to us it to describe lesser black people than themselves. It's same way you don't call someone gay a f*** unless you are gay and there is context. Felix is not black thus he has no context that can support him. That being said it was in the middle of a heated game with friends I wouldn't hold it against him.

  • Hellotardis FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Russell Richardson

    4 weeks ago

    Don't read as an emotional response. This is a logical anecdote, but when you've been called THAT word in hatred, for something as simple as dating someone white, it becomes very difficult to accept how trivial some will treat it. (Not you guys! You guys are very even handed and I love it)  I am mixed race, Black/white/native and I don't use The word in any fashion myself. This is my choice. To each his own, but I'm not a fan of the word existing AT ALL.


    Now, I hate when I tell someone that, and they respond with "Well other black people always say it so... etc"     As if I'm the spokesperson for other Black people around the world and should answer for anyone other than myself...come on people, I'm allowed my own personal opinion.


    It's obviously not cut and dry with pewds. Pewdiepie probably isn't a bad guy, not disputing that. But he should be reprimanded for what he said, THEN forgiven. But reprimand first. Tell him "hey not cool!" Then start trying to understand. (I'm aware it already happened like that, just saying it's right)  He's a role model like it or not, and that comes with responsibilities.


    Maybe if he and others knew how small and insignificant that word can make you feel he never would've used it. But we can't expect him or anyone to just understand something they've never been around. Can't expect anyone to care either.


    Some people see it as just a word and think it shouldn't bother me at all. And maybe they're right. I don't know. All I know for sure, is that when someone calls you THAT word, you suddenly feel so utterly alone....unwanted. For me It felt like being told I wasn't human, and I've never been more sad.


    Just thought I'd share that side of the topic.  Just my little anecdote on a certain word. Not expecting to change any minds, just wanted to share.

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      I think emotion is absolutely integral in these things, and I don't think it needs to be about logically shutting down that healthy part of yourself as much as it needs to be about empathy. Empathy is what is lacking in spades. You shouldn't have to reason that you shouldn't feel hurt by something that is hurtful, or that it is your responsibility to let it bounce off of you. Of course you do it to some extent in order to survive this hellscape of a world, but that is not on you. It's on people who choose to hurt others, who are told "you are hurting me when you do this" and then go on to blame you for having the gall to be hurt. They're the ones who need to change, not your emotions. Anger and empathy are the biggest catalysts for change. Repression and ignorance are just for keeping the status quo. Please continue to share.

    • Hellotardis FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Russell Richardson

      4 weeks ago

      Thank you for that @fullofwish

  • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Rather than awkwardly bringing on "a representative black person" completely not affiliated to you guys, it'd be great just to look at and defer to what so many poc are saying. Just go on twitter to see the many articulate and well-informed opinions of black people and their experiences with racism. It's not that hard to stick your head out of the bubble and see what people who aren't you experience, then acknowledge you're limited by what you've experienced and bring that forward into focus.

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      I am so glad that you guys are talking about these things, it's exhausting but so important to remember that while we have the luxury to just ignore this shit, poc don't since they live with it. We can and should do better. No aliens are going to come and save us from ourselves, we have to put in the work if we want to achieve an ideal of unification ever in the future of humanity. (I know it's all in jest but let's be real too, if the aliens did come to eradicate us and we managed to survive, everyone would just get back to hating on and killing each other for petty shit once they recovered. Alliances of necessity make paltry foundation for change. Mindsets need to be changed.) In the meantime we have to see people's skin colour and what it means, what they live because of it, and fight to change treatment of those who are mistreated. It's not just a belief we can accept if some people "believe" another person is inherently worth less than themselves. There's no hope to unify with those ideas.


      Also, yes, you can perpetuate racism through language while also doing "charitable" works. In sociology something like donating water to an African village is a feel good move that contributes to the "white savior" complex, and something that is necessitated by a history of white colonialism (fact: Sweden's had colonies in Africa) creating crushing poverty in these communities. It's all very complex. Checking a box in the "good" category doesn't negate other harm. Especially when you can argue that "good" is only as small reparations for past harm and destabilization caused by (while not limited to but including) your own peoples, which sadly still continues today.

    • Hellotardis FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Russell Richardson

      4 weeks ago

      Well said:)

    • jakeprime FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Yes yes yes. Very well said (along with your other comments here). Really appreciate when they bring up these issues as sensitive as they feel it is. There are always kernels (sometimes a lot more from Lawrence and James and Elyse too) of insight and they ARE good guys so it's important that they participate.

    • Micht FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Just want to say your comments have been so on point on this and the previous Dude Soup video, A+

    • fullofwish FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Thanks guys. I've really only felt encouraged to comment so much because of all the other much more profound and articulate comments around here.

  • NextChamp FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Papa Bruce I love you but I cannot disagree with you more on the "a word has to have context for it to be racist". The N-word is a hateful word no matter what context you put it in.


    Please tell me how on earth, in any context, that would not be used as a hateful/racist term? Because someone with musical talent is allowed to say it? You yourself said you get embarrassed when it pops up in the music you listen too. So that clearly means it has some sort of negative bias if you are scared to hear it in public. If that logic makes any sense at all then you, and anyone else at Funhaus, should have no problem using it in your next video. As you said: It is all about context. So as long as you don't mean it in a negative light then you're fine! So please, go ahead, say the N-word next time in a video.

    • YodatheHobbit FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Have you heard the Louis CK joke Bruce referred to on the podcast about the hipster guy who made Louis a cappuccino? Whether a person thinks it's funny or not, it's a pretty good example of how it can be used in a joke in a non-hateful manner where context is key.

    • FecalWater FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      bruce has said the 'n' word in a video. he was reading someone's name in a video game 

  • hoffm83n FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    not sure if bruce is feigning ignorance of the difference between nigg(a) and nigg(er). one is controversial based on its origins and lots of people still aren't cool with it but its used for ingroup inclusion. where as "er" is used to create an othering of another human to make them different and less than.  


    idk i just feel that this is the wrong conversation in general around pdp. it shouldn't be wondering if a single person is racist, am i racist? no im not racist? am i allowed to say this word? what context can i say it in? instead how can humans make more understanding between each other, and how racism and shit can be reduced. its obvious that calling another person a racial epitaph is bad, it doesn't need to be stumbled over.

  • LindBZ FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    The main thing I love about dude soup is that you guys logically talk about any situation. Like, seeing both sides and trying to understand them and analyse the situation.This post show did that in spades, keep up the great work you guys are doing!

  • dog_full_of_lupus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I dont really appreciate the Guysbeefy's comment considering how all knowing he comes off as. Dude obviously has no idea of the history behind slavery and the relations to race it has. And how recently it actually was. 

    • TacticalWard FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Bullshit Connoiseur

      3 weeks ago

      The USA =/= The Entire World. People need to remember that the American slave trade was an American atrocity, and while it's not okay to use slurs like n***** regardless of where you live, bringing up the history behind the word when addressing somehow who doesn't live in the US (and frankly has no need to know US history) is foolish. It's arrogant to assume that just because something holds historical weight where you live that then everyone should be aware of that weight, even when you live in a country as influential as the US.


      That being said, Pewds does a lot of business with the US so he should know better than to say something like that. Even if there was no malice behind it, what he did was just idiotic.