LAST JEDI REVIEW - Movie Podcast

Filmhaus Podcast: LAST JEDI REVIEW - Movie Podcast

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Oh boy! It's finally here and we wanna talk about it! Jon Risinger stops by to help us break down Star Wars: The Last Jedi! We'll talk about what we liked, what we hated, and our appreciation for the franchise in general. Also, stick around for a very special sci-fi edition of Funhaus Presents: BudHaus: Best Buds Bud Watch!

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  • CheapCulture FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 week ago

    My biggest complaint about the new trilogy as a whole is this stubborn refusal to include any familiar alien species in the background of Maz Kanata’s castle, Canto Bight, etc. For fuck’s sake, just give me a single quarren, devaronian, duros, ithorian, rodian, twi’lek, or WHATEVER - something recognizable and classic - just give us SOMETHING. I get that the universe is huge and there are tons of species out there, but without the slightest nod to some of this stuff it just doesn’t feel like Star Wars. Not to keep shitting on this one part, but the Canto Bight scene could literally have taken place in any sci-fi universe and you’d never know the difference. You have this rich vocabulary and history, so why not use it?

  • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    2 weeks ago

    To be fair, Finn started out cleaning toilets too. He and Rose are a match made in heaven. And there were only like a five rebel pilots left so Rose kinda HAD to become a pilot.


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    As for "Why introduce a character and kill her off in the same movie?" um... Qui-Gon. Darth Maul. Jango Fett. Dooku, basically. Grievous. Obi-Wan. Tarkin. Biggs. Jabba the Hutt. Everyone in Rogue One (well, that's excusable).

    • TomOneil FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 weeks ago

      Villains and father-figure-like teachers^.

      Rose had 0 input into the story, other than the stupid message at the end of the movie. I enjoyed the movie, but every time Rose was on screen, it took me out of the movie, because she had some lesson to teach, or a completely nothing moment that didn't flow. But as they said in the episode, the whole flow was pretty much off. So maybe she was ok, but in the context of how that movie was thrown together, it really didnt work. 

    • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      @TomOneil If you don't like her, that's fair. I read a thing two years ago that they underwent rewrites to give two new characters, one male and one female, more screentime. That MUST have been extending the Canto Bight sequence. So if you feel she was shoehorned in, that's totally fair. I have my own gripes about the film, but I thought Rose was okay.

    • TomOneil FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      @DavidtheWavid Ahhh. Yeah. That might've been it. The character was fine. But she never really fit, for me. Seeing it in that way shines a new light, though. Better to know that before my second viewing! 

  • Dingledolf FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Dingledolf

    3 weeks ago

    I love this movie but James' point at the end about multiple viewings is spot on.

  • IceChin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    On Rey's parenthood, why couldn't Kylo be lying to manipulate her into joining him? Just to play devil's advocate. 

    • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      If not for Luke asking who she is, I would agree. JJ was absolutely leading up to something but too many characters have no idea who she is. It's refreshing to have a powerful Force user who's not a Skywalker.

  • TurnerBurn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Funnier in editing.

    3 weeks ago

    Looks like this episode has a...fullhaus.

  • VinnyDaGun FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Vincent Gunheart

    3 weeks ago

    That ending was amazing.

  • KeithEire FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    40:52 yes Bruce!!! Thank you for saying that.

  • TheRTV FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Round Peg in Square Hole

    3 weeks ago

    I'm with James on TLJ, but leaning more toward loving it. I recognize they could have made the ultimate point of the various storylines better. But overall I love that they're breaking some tropes. The only thing that took me out of the movie was that close in on dead Snoke. 


    I like here how everyone is having a somewhat positive and critical discussion. But I love how Adam clearly disagrees and is holding back because his opinion is so far the other way haha. 

  • knarkill182 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    I honestly the Snoke issue could be easier resloved. He is clearly powerful enough to manipulate Rey and Kylo's minds even being so far apart. Who's to say that was the real Snoke and not ominous looking puppet figure being controlled.

  • TreaclePod FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Okay, so the thing about the bombs. You can see that there is some sort of gravity in the ships (other wise the remote wouldn't have fallen, there's also a supply of air due to the lack of breathing apparatus) and if the remote can fall so can the bombs. From Newtons first law of motion, we know that a body in motion stays in motion at the same speed and in the same direction, provided it is not acted on by an external force. So, the bombs fall out of the ship with x velocity and when they are no longer in the ships gravity field (not sure how exactly it would work) they are in space - zero gravity, zero resistance. So, the bombs will continue to move towards the dreadnought with a velocity of x.

  • steffunzel FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Steffunzel

    4 weeks ago

    i think everyone here is missing the point. they killed off Luke like a little pussy????, they completely ruined his character and spat in the face of starwars fans by doing that. it was such a bad way for one of the most powerful jedi to die.

  • RT_Fullmetal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    In regards to their comments about how Kylo Ren became a bad guy, I interpreted that reasoning a bit differently. James thought the movie said "because he decided to be at some point." Adam brings up the line "snoke already got to him" from Luke and took that at face value. I think part of the whole point of this movie was deconstructing Luke as not a Messiah/legendary character, and his misinterpretation of a force vision would be part of that. When he says he looked into Kylo's mind and saw evil already there, I think he was more seeing potential, rather than anything already predetermined. And I took it as his misguided decision based on a misinterpretation of his own vision was actually the action that made the vision come true. I certainly think that Kylo Ren may have had the potential to be evil, in that he was powerful. But I don't think he would have turned evil if Luke had not had that momentarily lapse in judgement. That one moment caused Kylo to see Luke as a threat, and as a sham of a teacher and a Jedi, which is why he turned away from him the most he could, by becoming a sith. Through Luke's conversations with Rey as well as Kylo at the end, he admits that he failed as an instructor to Kylo, and that moment was the exact moment where he failed, and where he himself brought forth the current Kylo Ren that we see.

  • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I disliked movie for two reasons. 


    Thematically, I couldn't tell what the movie was trying to say to me. It kept meandering about or contradicting itself.


    The first half was exciting, with Kylo and Rey helping each other to find themselves and Luke talking about how the Jedi were not what they appeared to be (though I would have preferred more emphasis on how they pushed control and suppression of the dark side rather than serving to truly balance the force. Luke could have made far more convincing arguments on why the Jedi were ultimately not good).


    But at the turning point the movie just goes back on all that questioning and everyone assumes their expected roles and things play out predictably, rendering all the thought provoking stuff completely toothless.

    I would have loved to see Kylo and Rey go true neutral and set off to balance the galaxy in a new way, maybe acting to dismantle both major powers and establishing a new philosophy on the force.


    Secondly the structure of the movie was kind of messy with too many disjointed mini arcs, and most of the scenes weren't written in a compelling manner, leaving me bored for the majority of it.


    There are plenty of plot issues that I've seen others complain about, but if the thematic and structural skeleton of the movie had been solid I wouldn't have cared much about the finer details.


    Overall I saw potential for a groundbreaking movie that challenged the traditional way of looking at the force, the Jedi and the galaxy's history, but the movie we got was neither that nor compelling in any other way.

  • salsatango FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Questions for lore-master Bruce: Why didn't they use the bombers to ram ships at lightspeed? Apparently a single one of them had enough bombs in it to destroy a dreadnought.

  • masterkerf FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Why does luke have the blue lightsaber that rey and kylo ripped in half earlier, i know hes not really there but wtf?

    • ClayD FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Luke projected the image of himself that he assumed Kylo remembered.  Luke doesn't know that that lightsaber was destroyed.

    • masterkerf FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Kylo and Rey had just split his original in half so Kylo should have been at least somewhat confused 

    • DavidtheWavid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 week ago

      He also doesn't leave footprints or make any sound when he walks, and none of the salt actually got on his robe. it was intentional so we knew something was off. Also might've been to piss Ben off a little more.

  • JUSBLZ FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Damn, totally disagree that BB-8 gave Finn the finger. 100% a thumbs up.

  • vibroblade FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    You guys all dismissed the deus-ex hyperspace way too quickly. If this is something that is possible, there is no reason the First Order as a militaristic organization wouldn't have weaponize hyperspace tech (especially since that's what Starkiller Base was in the TFA). You're telling me The First Order never thought of hyperspace missiles? A hunk of rock or metal a quarter of the size of a Star Destroyer with a hyperdrive strapped to it could've taken out the Raddus during the chase and rendered the entire plot irrelevant.

  • bigeelz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    i'd rather have an average movie that pushes star wars beyond what it has always been. i just hope abrams doesn't make a jedi rehash for the last one and makes a better version of 8.

  • mo2970 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Funhaus figured it all out! Admiral Ackbar should have performed that light speed smash! :D

  • Lt_CowboyDan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    My thoughts on snoke is it didn’t matter who he was, he was never important to the story being told. He was a red herring to keep us distracted from who the true villain is (Kylo). Kylo was always going to be the main bad guy. He fucking stabbed his dad in the chest. There hasn’t been any conflict in him in a long time. The conflict he showed in TLJ was purposeful. He wanted Snoke to think he was still conflicted when he hesitated to shoot his mom. He knew Snoke was trying to reading his thoughts and wanted him to think he was still struggling. But we saw in the throne room he was in fact playing Snoke the entire time. My thoughts anyway.

    • Lambeaux FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Snoke being no one is part of the point in my opinion - he is your villain of the week, scheming, long-speech-about-how-unbeatable-he -is villain that Kylo is saying needs to die.  It illustrates the cycle of how if they keep doing things the way they do, there will always be another Snoke or Palpatine ready to jump in when things become peaceful.

  • TheTussin FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    To when they say they don't understand how Luke put the dice in Leia's hand. If you watch her reaction, as soon as Luke "touches" her hands to the dice there, her expression changes as if she now knows he's not really there.

  • 221BLazerTeam FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Am I the only person that absolutely loves this show and wants to get it views by watching it to the end but can't help but stop it as soon as the bud watch starts?

    • 221BLazerTeam FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Fair enough

    • 221BLazerTeam FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Fair enough

  • LouAPinto FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold LouAPinto

    4 weeks ago

    I must have been the only person that thought that bb8's lighter wasn't a thumbs up or a middle finger but just him threatening fin with the lighter as if to say back off 

  • robexists FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    "Why introduce and kill off a character in the same movie?"

    I think that role, beginning to end, had to be a new character in order for the audience to engage with Poe's arc. I've seen people online suggest Ackbar should've just had the Holdo role, but the film's intention seemed to be that we side with Poe and against the mysterious jerk authority figure, so that we *and* Poe get the rug pulled out from under us and learn that one-in-a-million/suicide missions are generally dangerous, even if they've worked in the Rebels' past. And, in her death, learning that there are sometimes more creative solutions than a traditional attack.

    If it had been an established character audiences liked as much as - or more than - Poe (who we barely know from Force Awakens), audiences probably would've felt "well, it's Ackbar/Leia/Wedge. He/she's got this." And then we'd be sitting through Poe's scenes disagreeing with everything he's doing, waiting for him to be proven wrong, and simply hearing the lesson rather than experiencing it.

    That said, I agree with other suggestions online that something like talk of a potential mole, or just anything to further motivate Holdo's serecy, would've helped. I still interpreted it as a reveal that, just as Poe kept his plan secret from her due to distrust, she didn't trust him enough to loop him in, and therefore both characters were responsible for heavy loss of life.

  • Aussiemac FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Macaulay

    4 weeks ago

    Snoke is not plageuis, they have already said (in the visual novel) that he is NOT a sith, he leans to the darker side of the force but is not a sith.

    • dog_full_of_lupus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      I think it was to show that Snoke was consumed by the dark side and Luke was consumed the Jedi way.

  • _NowakP FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold IT Tech-Musician dude

    4 weeks ago

    Like Adam, I have similar problems with TLJ. I don't feel excited about SW IX and TLJ to the Star Wars saga was basically what The Phantom Pain was to the MGS series (in my opinion). It was 'a movie', the characters were there but they didn't seem to be 'themselves'. They didn't act consistently with their previously established character, some of them may have changed so much that they're almost unrecognizable (Luke = Big Boss) and there was no depth to a lot of things that were set up (TLJ = Snoke, Phantom Pain = most of the game and how it should've lead into first Metal Gear).

    May be The Phantom Pain was supposed to be taken more metaphorically - it literally tears down everything you loved about MGS and Kojima is leaving you with a "phantom pain' (I think that's just fans grasping at straws after MGS V). And maybe The Last Jedi goes for the same thing - because it really felt like it was a movie about the Rebels and the Jedi basically don't matter. It felt like the movie was trying to tell you that Jedi are a thing of the past and there's no place for them in this universe of regular people fighting and dying in wars. It was kind of disheartening and not what I wanted to get from a Star Wars movie (the story of space knights with laser swords and mind powers).

  • AmiralPatate FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I think the theme of the movie is the present. Yoda reprimands Luke, always trying to look into the future, and Kylo Ren has a spiel about killing the past if you have to. I think all those questions that aren't answered, the movie tells you it doesn't matter and you should look at what's happening right there and then instead of trying to figure the past, guess the future or lose yourself in what-ifs.


    A textbook example is "who is Snoke?" Doesn't matter really. What matters is while he is trying to guess what Kylo is about to do, he fails to see the lightsaber turning right in front of his nose.


    And maybe it's just who I am as a movie viewer, I just take what's in front of me and don't ask myself too many questions, because if it's not answered then maybe I really don't need to care about it. I didn't hang myself on the details and ended up loving it thoroughly from top to bottom.

  • curratorplays FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Curratorplays

    4 weeks ago

    In the middle of the very first scene I turned to my buddy and asked if we bought tickets to star wars or space balls 2. Humor is fine. They did it well in force awakens, but this felt forced. Also I spent most of this movie asking "So who the fuck is this guy?" Deltoro shows up... who the fuck is this guy? Snoke was killed... so who the fuck was that guy? That one old dude stands up at the trench when everyone is in the trenches and they hold on him for far too long... who the fuck is this guy?


    Seriously WHO THE FUCK WAS THE TRENCH GUY

  • King_Chronos FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    So I enjoyed the movie and I know this is sort of a half ass answer but I can agree with both points of those who like it and those who didn't. It is honestly just a matter of interpretation which leads to great discussions like this. As James pointed out we are going to be getting Star Wars movies now forever basically. I would rather have a discussion (hopefully civil) of differing opinions than just "oh another Star Wars came out, yeah it was alright". This is not to say that I don't want Star Wars to be universally loved by everyone, just that I appreciate being able to discuss this movie so much with people who have a variety of different opinions.


    Side Note: I just saw Last Jedi for a third time. I had the same thought about the hyperdrive scene and the acknowledgement by the First Order so I tried to pay extra attention this time. Don't remember the exact line, but once they realize the ship turns around Hux seems to realize what is going on and with a lot of panic demands they destroy the ship.

  • kadax FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kadax

    4 weeks ago

    Jon must be so damned happy to be on a movie podcast again. He just seems at peace talking about movies

  • Edgar_Sunday FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Great conversation. I agree with a lot of the points, but I still walked away from the movie absolutely loving it. I was surprised that no one mention the shedding of maternal and father figures throughout the film. I found that aspect really engaging, and very true to what Star Wars is. Also, my take away with Kylo is simple. He is evil because Rey wanted to be good. If she had joined him they may have been Grey and been together and walked a new path, but by her picking a side he was rejected and forced to take the other. So he has now been given away by his parents, betrayed by his uncle and teacher, and then used as a pawn by his new teacher only to then be rejected by someone who he may have thought finally understood who he is and what he is capable of. This is what was going through my mind at least going into that final scenes which is why I didn't mind the outrage and anger that he had. 


    Also, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I was absolutely convinced that Laura Derns character was a New Order spy, and she was the one who was leaking their position to the New Order. So her being rude and keeping things to herself made a lot of sense in my mind, only to find out that she was trusted and ultimately self sacrificed. So for me, that was a great arch that kept me guessing.

  • TheMenWhoSit FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    We did a review as well and if i had to sum up my opinions personally it would be these bullet points


    *writing needed band aids 

    *editing was scrabbled trying to tell several stories at once but with no bridges for the gaps

    *rian johnson didnt do a bad job

    *yoda scene was bomb

    *not a lot of pay offs (i kind of liked that though)

    *to much comedy

    *princess leia scene really didnt make sense for me

    *the worst scene was finn and rose at the end

    *poes arch was good

    *excited for next movie

  • joshuacornfoot FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    For me It really felt too much like a Disney movie and not enough like a Star Wars movie. It almost felt like an avengers movie where they dont explain much of anything and its just like "hey you wanna see some dudes fight and things explode?". It seems like they're making a transition into a more palatable type of movie (and loosing a bit more of the "hardcore" audience on the way) It feels like a space action comedy movie instead of a space opera and that bums me out. Also to the conversation about the hyperdrive being used as a weapon. Dont all X-wings also have hyperdrives? At that point you basically have super fast bullet that can go through shields (from what we have seen ship shield dont seem to be able to stop physical objects)  and would in theory be able to tear a hole in just about any Larger ship or even the death star. Id say that would totally be an acceptable loss especially if a droid could pilot one.

  • jeremythelee FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Personally I enjoyed the movie and I agree with a lot of what they said. I really felt like Rian was dipping his toe into the water to point out either side isn't nearly as polarized as the previous movies want you to believe. Then decided it was too much of a risk. A lot of it just felt unnecessary. The animal racing felt very pod racey. The Leia death felt like a wasted opportunity to make Luke return to the rebellion. I feel like star wars has created this awful attitude that everyone has to be someone. The crimson guard with Snoke were just crimson guard. palpatine had them since the prequels. Not every person outside a storm trooper outfit has to be part of the plot. Snoke proved he has the capability to speak to people and even connect them across the galaxy. So I'm not sure why these guys think he had to be present to influence Kylo. I don't necessarily think luke was a coward, I think luke is portrayed as someone who fought in a war and saw terrible loss of life, and realized the people and things he believed in weren't as pure as he once thought. Kylo's actions up until this point are justified by Luke trying to kill him. Bruce keeps talking about how it's IMPOSSIBLE for him to be anything but evil because he killed people. He was a teenager, left to the care of his uncle, and his uncle tried to murder him... Of course he joined the sith and did what he had to survive. They spent the movie up until then humanizing and justifying ALL of Kylo's actions up until that point. I really think they were setting up everything up until that point to really pursue the idea of grey jedi. And they backed out last minute. I did have a serious issue with kylo having water on him when interacting with rey. I'm totally fine with new force powers. But where are we at that point? Snoke is powerful enough to connect their minds across the galaxy, and also accidentally teleport water? But he can't read Kylo's mind enough to know he's a wrist flick away from killing him? I feel like there's a very clear point where they changed their mind about the direction they wanted to take. You can't explain away the light-speed suicide run. The rebels are essentially terrorists and freedom fighters. Lawrence does a much better job explaining it. Also can we please talk about the "battering-ram cannon". Whichever writer was in charge of that needs to be fired, immediately. 



    they keep going back to the idea that "anyone can be force sensitive". but that's not an idea introduced by this movie at all. Anakin was a nobody. Every sith we've seen up until this point was a nobody. Idk why they keep talking about it like it's groundbreaking. force sensitivity has never been implied to be genetic. Also Snoke is not plageius. Palpatine literally says he killed him. Snoke is not even the same species as Plageius. I love hearing bruce talk about how he's read every star wars book ever, but gets so many very basic things wrong. Phasma isn't a major character and probably wont be. they were just trying to re-invent the popularity of boba fett from the original movies. 

    • NOOBATRON100000 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      that plageius book got burned from cannon so we don't know what race he actually is which is why people were having fun with that idea

  • DungusMcBrungus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    that Net Neutrality bomb at the end

  • Press_A_to_Continue FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    To begin; I am a very average movie goer; there aren't many movies I don't enjoy. I am not by any means someone who looks into a movie on a deeper or character developmental level or even someone who can plainly see/realize what a deeper meaning a movie has. I usually have to look up what a movie means after I go see it. Lol

    I am also just an average Star Wars fan. I like all the movies, but I don't adore any of them. I like the story for the story and seeing where the characters go and how the universe is established.

    I came out of the movie disappointed; not in the film itself (I actually liked many parts of it), but in my expectations. I thought I knew the entire plot, but almost everything I expected was thrown out the window. I have never experienced this feeling before, so I felt the movie was just okay. After I heard the gang at The Know explain the story and twists in a more narrative fashion, I appreciate it much more. I can see where the director wants to take the series. I may not like where it is going exactly, but I still enjoy seeing someone's vision become reality. I believe Episode 9 will make this movie even better, and I'm excited to see it!


    There are a few things I wish would have happened or wish I could change:


    Open where we left off with Luke and Rei. Have the First Order battling The Resistance take place a few months to a year later so Rei and Kylo Ren can be trained. Rei and Ren have visions of each other during their trainings, like in The Last Jedi.

    Luke doesn’t want to train Rei because he is angry at himself for allowing Ben Solo to turn to the dark side. He does his normal routine/training to see her resolve. Once she proves herself, Luke takes Rei through the Jedi training (similar training from Ben Kenobi in A New Hope and Yoda in Empire Strikes Back). She studies the original Jedi texts as well. The training lasts until the First Order and The Resistance battle. Rei senses her friends are in trouble and is eager to learn her final lessons. Luke then takes Rei to the outlook over the ocean where he teaches her what The Force is: a balance, a connection between life and death, not only the Jedi's, etcetera. Once he discovers her immense strength and curiosity of the dark side, he’s angry that he didn't see this coming and reluctant to teach her anymore. She then goes searching in the deeper part of the island. She discovers the part of the island where the dark side of the force resides. Luke has refused to go to this place. Rei looks into and touches the mirror-like wall of stone and is given visions of light and dark battling for control until the last glimpse is over light and dark in balance (In reference to LEGENDs: She is on Tython and is shown time flowing backwards leading up to the Force Wars and ending with the Balance of light and dark and the original Je’daii Order). She returns to tell Luke what she saw. When Luke won’t train her anymore because she is tainted by the dark side, Rei believes the last hope is to turn Kylo Ren good again. She leaves to find him.


    Kylo Ren tells Rei that her parents were junkers: confirming her fear that she comes from nobody/nowhere. But Snoke reveals why Rei and Ren see each other in visions: 1st, Snoke is a revived Darth Plagueis. He found the power of immortality by transferring his essence into another. Anakin was to be his next vessel until Sidious killed him.  Snoke slowly regenerated himself until he was strong enough to not be rivaled. 2nd, Before Ben Solo was born, Snoke infused Darth Vader’s essence within Ben. 3rd, To balance this, The Force infused Anakin’s essence within Rei.

    Rei's hope is restored as she learns that her past doesn't define her and that she herself is strong enough to become someone important. But she isn't stronger than Snoke so he overpowers her easily and tortures her. Kylo Ren tries to betray Snoke, but Snoke takes his lightsaber and tortures both Rei and Ren. When the Resistance starship light speeds into Snoke’s ship, this gives Rei and Ren a chance to get their sabers and fight the Knights of Ren (Snoke’s Red guards). Once Snoke regains consciousness, he fights Rei and Ren. Rei and Ren embrace the power of the light and the dark sides of The Force and are able to kill Snoke together.


    Ren wants to rule the galaxy with Rei using the power they have discovered. Ren is obsessed with destroying the past so beings like Snoke, Sidious, Luke, Han, etc. won't affect the future he desires. Rei understands the necessity of balance in The Force so she refuses to join him. They each try to get Anakin’s lightsaber using The Force, but the powerful pulls cause the lightsaber to split in half. Rei is able to use this time to escape. She will build a new lightsaber for Episode 9 using parts from Anakin’s.


    On the *touches ground and tastes it* salt planet, Luke appears to fight Kylo Ren (with a GREEN lightsaber), and once Ren discovers he is using an astral projection, Ren says something along the lines of “You fool! You’ve doomed yourself. This act will kill you and the Jedi will die with you!” Luke responds “Hope, not the Jedi, will always live on.” Then we see the Millennium Falcon fly off. We shift back to Luke and Ren. Luke says “And I will always live on in the Force.” Ren dashes towards Luke as he disappears. Ren is left devastated as his hate boils into rage causing the ground to crack under him. Luke, exhausted from the astral projection, looks onto the two suns as he fades away.


    Eliminate the entire casino part. No point.


    Fin and Rose get onto the ship to destroy the light speed tracker. They get caught by Phasma. Fin and her fight in a lightsaber-esque fight.


    There are other things I'd change, but I don't think anyone wants to hear me talk anymore haha.



    For a time right now where people are so divided and very polarized on certain subjects, I believe we need a movie to prove that things aren’t always black and white. Balance and grey are needed. And that one person can make a huge difference, good or bad (Much like Star Wars has taught us throughout the years).

    • NOOBATRON100000 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      well said dude 

  • DungusMcBrungus FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    I think everyone in the world that saw TLJ should watch this video, but I say that cuz everyone pretty much totally matched up with my opinions exactly. Hit all the nails on the head

  • Axerty FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    The original safe cracker in the white suit was Justin Thereoux from the Leftovers. I think that's why the shot seemed to make him more important than he ended up being, it was a cameo and I guess a lot of people didn't get it.

    He's also a big enough actor that the character could maybe be reused in future but I doubt it.

  • Jagokoz FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    As a fan of Star Wars as a franchise, I have never left a theater after watching disappointed, or satisfied. This movie was no exception, but I tended to lean more toward not disappointed. I loved it.  I have a hard time watching these reviews, as they express opinions I don't understand, or can't agree with. I will take the time to listen anyway because I love them as a group and am glad they feel confident in expressing their opinion. I just wish they would have one of these talks where they express love for a movie and not a dump on something the internet is already dumping on. It had flaws, but I never felt apathy for the film as a whole. 


    Glad you all enjoyed some aspect of the film though. It made the other hour a lot more bearable guys. I hope you watch movies that you enjoy later though!

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    I usually disagree with Adam on his takes on entertainment, and this is no exception. There were plenty of problems I had with the film, (most expressed in the podcast) but I felt like most of his complaints were pretty obviously settled in the movie itself.  The fact that he thinks the uselessness and failure of much of the Resistance's plan is a pacing issue rather than the thematic center of the movie is...odd.  I mean, I don't know how you miss that.  I also completely disagree that Kylo Ren's desire for control is tonally contradictory.

     Speaking of that scene, Lawrence somehow flat out missed Kylo Ren's arc, when his mother's death happened anyway despite his conscious attempt to save her.  This produced the certainty that Snoke felt in himt, and why he wants to throw everything out the window, but still be in control.  James, Bruce, Farid, and Jon I felt were much more accurate.  The movie had a lot of problems, but overall it was great and risky and beautiful and actually original.  Anyway, I love all you guys, even grumpy Adam.  Keep being great!

  • Falleron FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    wow, James version of Poe and Finn going to the Casino planet works so much better. i think that would of fixed like 80% of the problems i had with that subplot. 

  • ShaOnSean FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    The lightspeed crash scene would've been more impactul if they gave that role to a character we care about. Noone cares about the purple haired lady. The fact that she sacrified her life goes over our heads. It was just an ou and awe moment. 

    • Sherminnater FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      Exactly instead of killing off Akbar like they did he should have been the one to ram the ship

    • mbg209 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 weeks ago

      to me that was one of the decisions that left me scratching my head. they attribute that scene to someone who has already resigned herself to sacrifice, and yet the character herself waits until half the ships are blown up to do what I thought she was going to do when the first one got shot (albeit without the lightspeed twist which made the scene VERY pretty). that scene absolutely sums up to me why the movie as a whole was not very good: all-around weird writing and character motivations. 

  • Azid08 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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    My big thing with the movie was the overall story told us nothing new. At the end we see the kids using the force and the idea is "anyone can have force powers!" But that was already explained in the prequels where the Jedi seek out kids that are exceptionally strong, and since the Jedi don't wed or have kids, we can assume that it's just random families having kids, and some of them randomly have a force user kid. In this movie there is no Jedi order to find those kids so its not surprising that some kid cleaning out stalls has force powers. 


    I actually really liked Laura Dern, having been in the military I found her to be a realistically strong leader. In the past it was Poe saying "blow up everything!" and running around like an idiot. But she actually knew the tactics and cared about her people. You don't have the Admiral on an aircraft carrier explaining the fleet plans to some random pilot, its shut up and do what I tell you (that's also ignoring the fact that he undermined every higher ranking officer and committed treason). 

    • DEFIAN7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Rabs

      4 weeks ago

      I wouldn't say that Poe is some random pilot, he's the leader of their tactical level movements. He's the one that all the orders get communicated through during battle, so it would make sense that he would have a part to play in the planning process (even if he just got demoted, as there doesn't seem to be anyone around who can take his place). By this point the number of rebels she's actually in charge of is pretty small, and Poe is a major player in this dwindling community. He's probably one of the ones you would want to include because he commands a large number of your pilots.


      My main issue with Laura Dern is that she claims to know what hotheads like Poe are all about, but demonstrates that she absolutely doesn't by ignoring him. If she understands his type, then she would know that if he thinks there is no plan, he's going to do something himself because he's not going to sit around and wait for someone else to save the day. She should have either told him the plan (which was apparently a pretty good one) or prevented him from interfering (lock him up), but she does neither because she doesn't actually understand her subordinates like she thinks she does.


      As a result of that, Poe does exactly what anyone would expect him to do, which is try to save the day when he's been given no indication that his leadership is going to. This ends up backfiring horribly, but I don't blame Poe for that. I blame his leadership for not trying to instill confidence that they had the situation under control.

    • Azid08 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

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      Poe being a tactical level leader is the exact reason I wouldn't involve him in the planning process. At this point he already disobeyed a direct order from a superior leader who he actually respected. Yes they destroyed a dreadnought but in the end it didn't matter. If it survived it would have still been out a range after they jumped to lightspeed and their ground forces wouldn't have changed anything after Luke intervened. So what he actually did was win the battle but lose the war, the Resistance bombers were way more valuable to them than the dreadnought was to the First Order. He acted without realizing the strategic repercussions, hence why we have unit level leaders and strategic level leaders. 


      You could argue that because they were so small that the unit level and strategic level were basically the same, but that still would have required Holdo taking the time to bring Poe up to speed with all the information she had (i.e. the hidden rebel base, shuttle logistics, reinforcements, etc). But again (as Holdo) you are putting a lot of faith in an officer who lost all your bombers and most of your fighters against orders and was just demoted by the leader you replaced. I think a lot of it can be put down to like they said, bad editing. They didn't show a whole lot of interaction and you have to read between the lines, which is why you don't see a replacement commander for Poe (would have been another character to introduce). The result is a bunch of disjointed scenes, that don't really paint a clear picture. 


      But I do agree that if Holdo really understood Poe's type, she would have given him some sort of distracting task, that keeps him busy but out of the way. 

  • MJB328 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Blue Team RULES!!!!!!!!!

    4 weeks ago

    i love that im not the only one that didnt like how they offed ackbar so suddenly and as Elyse put unceremoniously. He's an OG Trilogy Rebel Admiral that has one of the most iconic lines in star wars and they killed him off like some no named cannon fodder grunt


    Admiral Ackbar should've been the one to do the light speed ramming.


    Thank you for mentioning this Elyse

  • MandoloreCom FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    wow okay. i didn't dislike superleia because it "raised questions". I disliked super leia because it looked so fucking stupid.

     I'm going full angry internet guy here, it looked terrible. it was more cringe-worthy than cgi leia in Rogue One. Yeah, if maybe just her finger twitched and she was guided through the force back to an airlock, that'd be less painful, though still painfully cheap. 

    Also, yeah. what are they going to do now. they haven't started shooting IX yet, soooo they'll just be like "hey, remember when leia died? that was so sad. anyway, moving on". 

    How did everyone not laugh at that scene. It was laughable, and poorly executed. and raised no questions besides "what on earth are they going to do about leia in XI"

  • JustAGregularDude FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    Space Buddies is The Last Jedi of the Air Bud CU.

  • Xzakuter FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Xzakuter

    4 weeks ago

    I like the points of letting the existing characters take control of the main plots, with the suggestion of Poe going with Finn, not Rose. So I came up with a stupid theory lol. So how about this:


    (Admiral Ackbar does not die. Gotcha Elyse lol)


    In the process of evacuation one escape pod malfunctions where the survivors must cram into the remaining escape pods. Instead of Holdo piloting the ship, Admiral Ackbar pilots the ship while everyone else leaves, in order to sacrifice his life as his final service mission to Leia and the Rebellion. Holdo refuses and insists she pilots the ship, she gets forced into the escape pod (maybe Leia can flex her force abilities to stun her idk? Atleast that would create context of her force abilities), the escape pods all leave, yaddi yaddi yadda. Admiral Ackbar sets the hyperspace towards the First Order's fleet, roll the cool flashy scene, but in the corner is a glimpse of the final escape pod launching, but can only be seen with a closer look and or a second viewing, implying that Admiral Ackbar may have escaped. This leaves fans hopeful that he survived, regardless it would have been a waaaay better send off at this point. Holdo remains in command taking over Leia (for obvious reasons), Leia retires? or whatever. This gives time for Holdo to redeem her underwhelming character development in the next episode but also relieving us with an introduction to another throwaway character that is next in command. Maybe Admiral Ackbar could make a surprise appearance in the final part of Episode IX (or not).


    TL:DR Admiral Ackbar doesn't die. Admiral Ackbar pilots the ship instead of Holdo. Admiral Ackbar hyperspaces into the FO in which he may or may not have escaped in the nick of time.

  • RimmyTom FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RimmyTim

    4 weeks ago

    I love watching Adam pulling faces in this. I feel his pain. Star Wars had an opportunity to blur the lines between good and evil twice now. The original trilogy was a black and white plot. Rogue One and the last jedi were set up perfectly to add some nuance and they both backed away.

    Imagine a Rogue One where the Rebels actually did some horrifyingly violent acts for the sake of getting the plans, and a Last Jedi where the Resistance and the New Order are left in tatters by two grey "jedi" who open themselves to the force fully. The Star Wars franchise would have so many more potential plot lines.

    Where can they even go at this point, and does anyone care?

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    4 weeks ago

    shoulda known when mack weldon is a sponsor, don't watch it at work 

  • LethargicMayhem FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 weeks ago

    It should have been Ackbar instead of Laura Dern.  He could have whispered "It's a trap" then jumped the ship to lightspeed.