Gamers Only Want SEX & VIOLENCE? - #47

Dude Soup: Gamers Only Want SEX & VIOLENCE? - #47

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  • Willhelm_55 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Flamingo King

    1 year ago

    I WON THE SEX WITH MY BUG GUN MAN DICK!

  • HoHoJoeSchmoe FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I came back to this video after they mentioned it in the latest Fan Show Funhaus did...

  • shortasskt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Towards the beginning of the podcast there was a lot of speculation about how women feel. Instead of speculating, you should ask women directly. It was a bit upsetting to see a women walking off the set then almost immediately have 4 men delve into a conversation about women in gaming.

    • DanFlynn2

      1 year ago

      They were talking about a survey of 2000 people and one female cannot possibly represent the sum total of the female perspective on the issue. I also find it weird that someone of a different sex cannot have any valide input on the given issue.

  • MoMisteries

    1 year ago

    I have to say, even though they always portray Spoole as the "village idiot" type person, I always really appreciate his input. He's a very thoughtful and intelligent person, at least from what I can gather. I love that these guys can be stupid and do stupid things, then flip a switch and have a serious discussion. It reminds me of the dialogue I have with my friends.

  • scarface2684 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Drinking once a week every week is excessive? Did I hear that right?

  • Parabella FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Team Leader RTX Sydney

    1 year ago

    Personal opinion: women definitely do delve deep into the gaming world, and I'm personally proud of call myself a gamer; I know many other women who do as well. Unfortunately there are still "men" who mock and attack women for gaming. Why? No clue. But I've definitely had my share of guys attacking me for gaming and non-gamer guys and girls think that because I play games I'm more masculine and somehow that's a bad thing and it means I can't be feminine. In all fairness, I have also had guys who don't act like that. Also, my mum absolutely hates me gaming, always has. For the same reasons above. So it doesn't help when you're trying to get into a new game or gaming system as a kid and your parents refuse to give you an Xbox for Christmas but are totally okay with getting one for your kid brother.

  • darogadaae FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I'm ten minutes in and I feel like I should respond to something - Spoole was talking about how females who play games don't identify as gamers/geeks/nerds due to stigma or backlash from more traditional males? That's actually backwards. The real backlash usually comes (in my personal experience and in that of most of my friends, as well as many, many hours of observation on the internet) from the gaming/geek community. The very people we seek community with reject us, and I could spend hours psychoanalyzing why but I don't know that I'd ever really get to the root of it. Stigma from when we were younger is certainly a part of it, but in the present day most of the rejection comes from within the community.

    I think part of it is because of the number of times we see things like "girls ruin gaming" or "fucking feminists hate fun" and... idk, other things like that. Even though we're fairly deep into the culture, we constantly get messages from the culture that tell us we're not welcome.

    So we hide.

    Another thing - in my experience, women aren't the ones saying they aren't really into gaming culture. We're dramatically more likely to have our skills or game choices (or comic favorites or anything else) criticized and shot down than men. I don't really understand it, though I've tried.


    EDIT 27 minutes later: I would posit that the censorship you're talking about (and rightfully concerned about) is only partially about just taking away things from other groups. The bigger part of it, at least with the boobs involved, is that media representation of groups IS important, and the way women are historically portrayed in video games is very much a thing that pushes women away from games. For instance, the Witcher series - love the games, hate the way they treat women. I don't want to take away the sexy minigames and stuff, I just want to have games where that's not the only thing that women are in the game for. So there's a weird gray area between the "censorship" and the "I just want a game that's good, not boring, and doesn't make me feel like having a vagina is a bad thing."

    As for the video game violence: There's a correlation, definitely. Psychologists have studied this since the 1970s. We really do model our thoughts and behaviors around things that we see, be it in person, in movies, or in video games. I could cite sources if I wasn't at work.

  • emzycap FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I am only a couple mins into the video but I have to state my opinion about girls gaming. I totally agree with Lawrence that it is a time thing and I (as a girl who plays games over 5 to 10 hours of games a week) feel I cannot voice my opinion. I am not considered a "gamer," not by the jock like Spoole was talking about but my friends who are male gamers who say I haven't played certain games so I am not a gamer (even though the games they talked about, Assassins Creed, Bioshock, Call of Duty etc., were released way before I was able to game). Because I am a girl when I was in lower school and asked my parents for an xbox they gave me a game boy, I ask again in middle school and get a Wii, then ask again in high school and get a computer because my family didn't want to "waste money" on a "phase" I am going through (which is called my lesbian phase because I am more masculine in my likes even though I am not a lesbian). I am thankful that I can game on my PC but certain platform specific games I cannot play because my parents still feel they would be wasting money on buying me a gaming console (unless it was family system like the Wii) even though I have been interested in gaming for eight years plus. That was my little rant, I am glad you guys are touching on this topic though because it makes me feel like there aren't only dicks out there who will get on my case and ask if I even know what certain games are.

  • noelmurray15 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    lawrence is funhaus' hunter s thompson

  • HatsuneNiko FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I mean I guess it's sort of a given in a show titled Dude Soup but I feel like the ideal forum for talking about gender issues in any context is probably not a room with four guys and no girls. Sort of makes it hard to have a good conversation about the issue when the guys are just sort of having to guess about peoples' perspectives constantly.

  • TheMeta88 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    The idea that they'll stop making PC ports because people will complain is stupid.


    "When we make bad ports that are broken and unplayable people get upset. It makes us not even want to try."


    Make a game that works. Is that too much to ask? Is that too difficult?


    I've never heard a car company go, "Wow people were really upset when our brakes on our last line of cars sucked. Let's just not include brakes!"


    Video game development is the only medium in which developers get away with releasing broken things.


    If you're not going to make a port right, don't make it. Don't waste out time or yours.


    But if you commit to doing it then do it right.


    I have no sympathy for the Batman devs at a time when the GTA devs and CD Project Red are doing PC ports right.


    Did those games take their lumps, sure. But they took them in stride and are beloved.

    • MartayMcFly FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Before getting in to this, I'm speaking in general terms. Using examples where it works, but none of what I'm saying is only applicable to one situation or game or thing...


      The appropriate comparison would be a car company just not making a bad car because it wasn't well received (maybe along the lines of a convertible version of a popular hatchback), the Batman thing wasn't that they took out the bat-hook because it was buggy (which would be a closer fit to not including brakes). And keeping with the car industry for comparison... have you never heard of a recall? That's an IRL patch. Porsche did it, Toyota did it, Firestone tyres did it... and those are just well publicised examples.


      They recall kids' toys that are shipped with potential choking hazards that weren't identified during product testing in the factory, or re-formulate drinks that allegedly turn your skin orange. iPhones are usually buggy when a new version of iOS comes out. Basically, it's naive or just plain wrong to say only game development gets away with releasing broken things. It happens all the time, everywhere, and game developers don't 'get away with it' to any extent anyway, and are likely the most active when it comes to trying to correct problems. Games are digitally updatable (I'm not sure that's even a word) so if/when they can see an issue, they develop code to fix it, then test and release a patch to address that issue. They update non-gaming software too, but the community around Spotify isn't as vocal as the one around PC gaming, so when it deletes your stored library rather than convert it to a playable format, they don't talk about it on podcasts. Actually they probably do, but not on this channel. For an RT-related non game gripe, look at that electronic card thing they all got that barely works. They didn't recall that, and it is absolutely broken.


      As for doing it right or not at all, It mainly comes down to the borderline impossibility of stress testing a port fully without either delaying it years, or spendings millions and millions on the hours to do it with a wide enough range of setups to ensure compatibility. When the sales are as low as they're saying (relative to the uniformity and install base of consoles), it just doesn't make sense to try if the most likely outcome is breaking even financially, but with a wide spread negative reaction to the work. The point Bruce was getting at is exactly what you got to, almost - they just won't bother. Also, GTA took the money from being the best/fastest selling game ever (pretty sure they made like $1,000,000,000 in pre-sales) and put it into a solid 18 months of developing the PC version to the point it wasn't as broken as the launched console version at launch.


      The tl;dr is - your 'opinion' is wrong and you should feel bad

  • gabsdixon

    1 year ago

    I really, really love playing video games, but I fucking hate multiplayer because I'm generally not the MVP and as a woman I feel like I have to prove myself or risk ridicule. I'd write it off as my own insecurities if I didn't hear the sentiment from so many other women. I never use my headset because I don't want video games to be ruined for me by guys who don't get it. And I absolutely agree - I've never had many female friends who play video games and it's led to me giving up on them a couple of times for fear of being branded a 'geek', even though I've known males who play games and I'd never give that title to them. I myself am always surprised when I find another girl who enjoys games, which I probably shouldn't be!

  • ajsyav FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I usually love your "don't give a shit, I'm gonna do me" attitude, so this was a bit weird. Nice discussion, but it was hilarious watching you guys try to straddle on the fence the whole time.
    I'd watch another one of these. Good shit, good titties.
    Also, so that this can be considered for OPENHAUS, which video game character would you give bigger titties to?

  • TheMuffin18 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Full of nanners

    1 year ago

    Was really nice hearing Spoole talk in a normal manner.

  • Jdwallace FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Rooster Teeth and Co are still the only people I ever here pronouncing gif with a hard G. But I guess it depends on what the people around you say.

  • Give_me_milk FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I will say as a woman who does play games that women typically tend to not identify as gamers just because of the backlash of males about women "encroaching upon their territory" as it were. I've been attacked verbally for playing games and if there happens to be a voice chat going on, I'm less likely to participate. Just look at the women gaming journalists who get doxxed just for having an opinion about games.


    I'm not saying that it is a widespread problem across all of gaming culture with men. I have made many friendships with dudes I've met thanks to gaming. It's just prevalent enough for women to be wary.

  • NaRu7o FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

    1 year ago

    I have a couple female friends that are bigger gamers than I am, which is kinda saying something. Sure they don't play all of the same games that I play, but the ones they do play, they're more into those than I ever could be. One of my lady friends has really kept up with me in Destiny. I have a 299 light level Titan and 4015 Grimoire, and she has a 299 light level Warlock and 4010 Grimoire, and she balances it with all these other games. One of my other gamer friends is heavy into RPG's and FPS's, and I can't keep up with her in either. Oddly enough, she's really bad at Halo and playing it on Legendary really kicks her ass. I don't have too much of a problem with it so that kinda surprised me.

  • MysticGMAN MysticGMAN

    1 year ago

    at the end of the podcast i felt i was watching an episode of intervention

  • Vash_Amlug FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold /\

    1 year ago

    I just realized, after the Lawrence drinking discussion, that two bottles of whiskey every weekend might be too much.

  • xBluexManx FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    To lawrence,


    The "protrusion" above your umbilicus sounds like a hernia. I would seriously get that checked out by a doctor.

    • MartayMcFly FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Spoole (of all people) is the only one that mentioned hernia, the rest are on about a cyst or maybe just a backed up digestive tract. Gotta say I agree with you both, sounds exactly like a hernia. The correlation=/=causality of it being affected by drinking doesn't necessarily mean it came from anything to do with drinking. Regardless of what any commenter says though really, a doctor is the one to speak to to find out for sure.

  • kenezbian FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I'm a little disappointed that Elyse was traded out for Bruce on an episode that largely covered topics involving women. I would have loved to hear her opinion on women gamers and how she feels about breast censorship and I'm sorry she wasn't featured.

  • slowmogays FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold liker of grapes

    1 year ago

    "girls are afraid to say they're gamers"
    "men are more willing to take on that moniker"
    "i think it's surprising when you meet a man who doesnt play video games ... we're willing to call ourselves gamers because we've been playing games for 20 or 30 years"


    so why didn't you let elyse stay on this episode again? i'm a huge fan of you guys and still some of the stuff you were saying about "female gamers" is making me cringe. i'm not going to say women don't care about being called a gamer or not, it's just that men often care far more about labels than women do. i don't consider myself a "gamer" even though i've played some games for hundreds of hours, and you know why? because if i did, someone would call me out for it. a man can say whatever he wants and no one will question, but if i call myself a gamer, they will ask me to prove it. so no, we're not "afraid", and no men do not play games more than women (it's pretty close to 50-50 iirc), it's just too much hassle to go through an argument about labels. elyse definitely should have stayed on this episode; she could have provided an alternate view. all i'm seeing right now is the same thing i see in all other men. you assume men are the ones playing games, you assume games are marketed towards you, and you're totally blind to sexism that women have to deal with every day.

  • Pfweaver FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Its a hernia LAWRENCE!... maybe.

  • Gertie FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I have to say I found the first 15 minutes of the podcast really interesting, and they’ve probably knocked the nail on the head for my personal ‘late arrival’ to video games. As a kid (pre-teenage years) I actually played a lot of games on PS2/Nintendo handhelds. However as I got older, I found my generally female only friends did not play video games and so there wasn’t anyone to talk to about games or to be enthusiastic about them. Therefore I tended to focus on other hobbies that I could share and therefore generally stopped playing games altogether.


    It was the rise of youtube gaming that got me back interested into video games. With me really becoming interested in AH probably 2/3 years ago, (and branching out from there) but I didn’t actively start trying to play games until about 6 months ago. I still have the same problem that my close friends have no knowledge or interest in video games and it does suck, especially because I know I have practically zero video gaming skill due to lack of practice. But at least with the internet it does provide a greater accessibility for anyone interested and I have friends I met online to talk to about gaming. Would not call myself a gamer anytime soon though.

  • noelmurray15 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I think that the reason women who are as likely to be into the culture of gaming altogether as men are just feel silenced by certain situations where they feel/are discouraged to speak out. I think that this pretty much applies to most oppression. I don't like to bring the concept of "political correctness" fully into it, but I believe a lot of the privileged groups misjudge the idea don't realize that oppressed people are silenced more often than the idea of political correctness "silences them."

    • Noobly I liek space

      1 year ago

      Holy fuck you PC pansie, oppression? Please don't tell me your a brainwashed SJW

  • AstridOmega FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I think it's worth pointing out that what's described in this episode isn't what you'd call 'censorship'--censorship is what happens when some third party or some official body reviews something and decides that it's unfit for consumption, and then against the will of the creator or producer, changes or removes the thing so it will be more palatable to society at large.


    Just because people are complaining and producers are making decisions based on a combination of those complaints and their own bottom line does not make it censorship, because no one has forced them to do anything. They made a choice on their own for their own benefit while keeping other people in mind--but they still have the option to publish and produce the original product as it originally existed, even if they aren't taking advantage of that.


    The video games industry in Australia is subject to censorship. Media in China and North Korea is subject to censorship.


    What America is experiencing vis-a-vis foreign imports isn't censorship--what you're describing is the free market at work, which is, ostensibly, the exact opposite of censorship


    • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      They said that on an earlier podcast about Nintendo. But lot's of people missuse that word a lot.

  • MintBerryCrunch FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold MintBerryCrunch

    1 year ago

    not that this will be seen but because he s losing weight it may just be a stubborn fat pocket, i have one just like it.

  • DarkTempler7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I think James wants to live in the matrix.