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Social Justice RUINING Games? - #44

Dude Soup: Social Justice RUINING Games? - #44

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LLLLLLLLLAAAADIES AND GENTLEMEN! Welcome to the WORLD FAMOUS Dude Soup, the home of a thousand laughs and a million opinions, all of them wrong! Tonight we are THRILLED to welcome an all new Dude to the Soup. Hailing all the way from the Great White North, please put your hands together for ELYYYYSSSEEEE WILLEMMMMMMSSSS!!!!

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Elyse comes from an esteemed gaming and Games Journalism background, working as a Producer for many years on Game Trailers. You may have seen her as Pervince in Tabletop Adventures, or playing the role of Elyse Willems in Mandatory Update.

Elyse is 3'7" tall, with silver-blonde hair and a mischievous elfin grin that proves she's up to no good at all times. We hope you love her as much as we hope we love her. So let's all say Hello, How Are You, and Goodness What A Mischievous Smile as we welcome Elyse to Funhaus.

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  • Kurowscar FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    At 8:24 the "over reaction" as you described it literally is what Tropes V Women, more specifically, Anita Sarkeesian was saying. The entire series is literally nothing but, "These games are enjoyable to men because they can kill, rape, and abuse women. These games should not exist. Women should never be the subject of harm or abuse in games. Or anything else for that matter, but mainly games. Especially games played by men."

    That's pretty much a paraphrase of the entire series. She specifically blasts GTA and similar games for the portrayal hookers, prostitutes, strip clubs, and the women involved with them as well as the ability to kill those women. Completely and utterly ignoring the fact that you can do literally all of the same brutal stuff to random dudes walking down the street as well.

    Because we all know that bashing in the skull of a dude with a baseball bat is acceptable, but bashing in the skull of a woman with a baseball bat is horrendous and sexist and yadda yadda yadda.



  • Doofalichous FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I lose a little more faith in humanity everyday, especially when I hear people complain about certain contents (or lack there of) of a video game... unfortunately it comes from both sides of the "political" spectrum, thus making society a really hard thing to deal with sometimes... fuckin' eh yo

  • OmniPhillips FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    GIRL!

  • adamdothunt FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    The vocal minority are what generate change, look at any movement ever. sociology essay this logic based so there are no sources.

    The assumption of reasoning behind my next comments are that conscious moderation of human activity is necessary. And further that it is health for any culture to have a form of 'police' examining trends. this is because the nature of people tend to polarize away from balance. cultural trend such as the 'keep calm' and 'memes' are great examples of this mechanism.

    Thus when thus trend happen in other areas; anime, gaming and the like. with huge social impact they can cause quite the damage and spark various cultural ideas in society, if not moderated properly. as people tend to be influenced by things in power.

    (Simple)gaming is in this weird area at the moment and it is really quite confusing from a sociological point of view. As we are quite happy to kill people in the most grotesque methods, children (skyrim mods), cod, etc the list goes on.

    But sex seems more real, this is because it elicits arousal from a more primal function in the brain. So it can be exploited to generate interest in a very basic way. This is the first major point which requires moderation. then there's the second point..

    (sexisim)There is the sexist dimention to this in how we view women which personally i feel is irrelevant to games, if we've decided where okay with killing and pretty much everything else. This issue lies in wider society as a whole in the way masculine and feminine culture interact.

    They are reductive. they exclude each other from each other. an analogy can be made to religions and cults. Soft religions have view which are co-existing that do not strictly inhibit the existence of things which disagree with them. Cults exclude every other kind of views other than there own. Draw this back to gender, sowing, being 'manly, wearing a dress, ect are all exclusive. This I feel is stupid, there is no upside to gender. literally none and it will disappear in 2000 years (prove me wrong-its a hard pill to swallow). This inequality is seen in women's transition into male culture its happening slowly and with huge difficulty. Male transition into female culture is going slower but is happening, i think...


    (Subjectivity)People tend to forget that reality isn't black and white it is very grey as every action means something very different to someone else. Sexual content in media is also a matter of opinion. OPINION people seem to forget this in heated debates, it can even be seen in you discussion of what makes a game. there are many side and a level of depth to the entire concept of sexism in game. It is contextual in nature, take world building for shows in the 70's against and put them against reality tv which shows sexism as normal.

    These interact in a myriad of ways creating a lot o drama and confusion.I could write a 10000 word essay on the subject but at the end of the day i stick to one rule

    TL;DR If an action, trend or culture is reductive, takes away or disallows it is bad. How define bad is subjective. thus in conclusion the answer is up to you.


    There are like 5+++ different debates in the subject, it is quite complex.

    Did not proof yolo



  • Zappata15 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Well this is America and if you know America there are loop poles I am going to import this game and I dont care what other people think. I REGRET NOTHING cause I still remember America where you hit another man in the balls and than you get hit in the balls and you just shake and forget.

  • TickleBottom

    1 year ago

    she added nothing...quite literally...words....use them.

  • ComradeCleaner FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I thought the whole going off and doing a golf or fishing enthusiast show was both on point and hilarious. You guys have pointed out in the past that the gamer identity is nearly nonsensical. I play games on PC but that doesn't necessarily define my whole existence. It is the hobby or leisure activity I engage in more than any other, but there's no point in getting upset over what someone says or people think about an adult male hobby. Plus if you get burned out by a hobby guess what: there is more than one way to spend your spare time. I personally am a bit of a firearms enthusiast. It's logistically more difficult to get range time in but if I've got the time I enjoy putting rounds on paper. I also am a bit of an automotive enthusiast. If I need to just clear my head I'll hit the road find a nice stretch of abandoned highway and stretch the legs on my Focus ST. Every now and then I'll crack open a variety six of craft beer update my untappd log and watch some nonsense like ATHF Anime or a movie.

    On the whole Kotaku debacle personally I don't read any of their content. However I did read content from their sister site Jalopnik. On Jalopnik which is also owned by Gawker Media all posts in the comment section had a delay for moderators to review to make sure the post wasnt offensive. Since the mods or admins decide what is offensive the comments section probably won't have many dissenters. I attempted to post dissenting opinions on a couple of stories and neither made it. A post just on technical details made it after being reviewed for two days. So pretty much their automotive blog is an echo chamber. It wouldn't surprise me if Kotaku was as well.

  • SpleeSpree FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold I Beat Braindawgs

    1 year ago

    The beginning of the podcast had me really worried. Eventually they started being a little more fair to both sides, though.

    As for the newest member, I thought your anecdote of pouring glue on your hands was very entertaining.

  • bobalote FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Can these please be uploaded with an audio link too? its available on iTunes but not here? why

    • tskalabri FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      There is a download mp3 button near the rss feed link

  • johnbarnes FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Trophy Hunter

    1 year ago

    Can't wait for all this new content from Funhaus, like golfing, fishing and making out in the hood.

  • bonnec FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold i'd rather be sleeping

    1 year ago

    Why are we complaining about what game developers do to their games? We're lucky we can play it in the first place. It's their games, and if they decided to do something to it, they absolutely have the choice to do it regardless of the reasons behind it.

    • SpleeSpree FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold I Beat Braindawgs

      1 year ago

      Pretty hard to argue with that. I think what gamers are concerned about is that developers are being bullied into self-censoring and whatnot. Now, SJWs don't actually play games. We know this, because the "games" they support always are financial failures, and the ones they complain about are usually huge successes.

      But while developers seem aware of this, publishers do seem to worry about gaming journalism backing the SJWs and badmouthing any game that isn't in lockstep with them. I want to put faith in the developers, and even the publishers that they understand that pandering to SJWs never pays off.

  • YellowMan9 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Elyse is a great new addition

  • KayleeM

    1 year ago

    I wish I could say I didn't know what Elyse meant about the whole glue thing

  • AbstractSpaces FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    My general rule for internet "controversy" is to take how hard people are complaining on both sides of an argument and divide it by 10, to get an actual valid response to the issue.

  • Reitanclan FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    I like the second Adam. When not interested, get focused on gameplay. When hearing something topical, add a blurb/example. Laugh at a joke for 8 seconds. Adam was always the best part of Dude Soup. Elyse should therefore make the podcast twice as good.

  • REXXltm FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Crimson Rex

    1 year ago

    FUCK ANITA SARKEESIAN. it's her fault, larwence is right. but according to anita no one can enjoy anything she doesn't like. fuck her and fuck this

    • RimmyTom FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold RimmyTim

      1 year ago

      Also she's a con artist. she has links to loads of sketchy activist movements. She doesn't care about games, she only cares about creating a following that will pay her for her minimal effort.

    • VioletHyena

      1 year ago

      Uh, Anita says in every video literally. "It's ok to like, even love, games with problematic content, while criticizing those parts that are harmful."

    • jfebes FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      You just jealous Jon Oliver talked about her on Last Week Tonight. lmao

    • SpleeSpree FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold I Beat Braindawgs

      1 year ago

      Yes, she's a narcissistic con artist. She literally said GTA is is sexist because you CAN kill hookers. No problem with killing cops. No problem with killing soldiers. They're men. Hell, she doesn't even talk about killing innocent civilians (though she will use clips of killing female civilians). Nope. Because it's an open world game, and you CAN kill people, it's sexist.

      Let's not even talk about when she claimed a game rewarded you for killing innocents, even when then clip she showed you LOSING points for killing innocents. Blatant lying.

      That's only more reason to not talk about her.

    • REXXltm FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Crimson Rex

      1 year ago

      she does point out the bad parts but says "you can play it, but that makes you a part of the patriarchy"

  • OniZonda FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Hokage

    1 year ago

    I thought banksy was recently revealed as a chick....

  • Shinn FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Sponsor

    1 year ago

    The whole 'art or not' argument seems so absurd to me. The distinctions people draw are completely arbitrary, and vary so much from product to product that saying something someone created doesn't count as art is completely pointless.

  • squidgeart

    1 year ago

    Welcome Elyse.

    You guys don't have to change the name Dude Soup, keep it.

  • SalvaJor FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold SalvaJor

    1 year ago

    yes it is

  • tstill21 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    anyone else having problems with the video buffering? can watch videos on youtube no problem.

  • FroZTeX FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    8 minutes into the video....
    PLEASE
    MAKE
    THAT
    LAUGHING
    GIRL
    SHUT
    UP


    Edit: Badly thought out and executed comment; I was referring to the little laughting girl in the snowflake game Adam played, not Elyse.

    Pretty stupid of me to not see it could get misinterpreted. Totally my own fault, I'm so glad Elyse has joined, she is only going to and joy and humour to the channel!

    • ktgcake FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Happy im not the only one, i was going fucking crazy.

    • jackson5

      1 year ago

      have a feeling people think you are talking about elise lol(before getting to that point)

    • SpleeSpree FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold I Beat Braindawgs

      1 year ago

      All those negs...the hurt feelings police are out in force, looking to misinterpret.

  • JewishCyclops FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Adam doesn't want Billy Joel to do the song? IDK if it's a rule that the artist has to be British, I've only watched a few Bond films. Then again now that I think of it Billy Joel's style doesn't really fit the Bond theme. Nevermind, sorry I commented.

  • bridgesquid FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Ongo Gablogian

    1 year ago

    The most fascinating part of this episode for me was seeing Kovic download games for free because he had a "Steam Press" account. I never knew that was a thing.

    • Whinterfell FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      1 year ago

      Yeah lot of people that are part of the bigger press or gaming reporting websites or media have them. It is something that lets them get anything they need to review or promote. Did you think they bought every game they played through Wheelhaus?

  • DanDanGames FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    wait there is kill/fuck games?


  • DanDanGames FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    1 year ago

    Say Her Story one more time....


  • AlCappachino

    1 year ago

    :l did you guys not follow the anita snarkissin thing after tropes it thinks every thing is sexist and racist while some points were made I don't think they are even credited properly because it's a free market and game company's can make what ever the fuck they want and if it does well then it probably has the market for it. not to mention the recent un meeting they had to try and censor people on the internet for criticizing them (and shit posting them).

  • TheYank49 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold The Yank

    1 year ago

    Why was their children laughing? Creepy af.

  • MichyWatches

    1 year ago

    Welcome Elyse, so happy to see you on board with Funhaus! :D